15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC
 

This is not about Politics or Religion

This is about an Epic fail on our lake and needs to be talked about

Completely agree, Waltrip. Those studies you refered to before, any where I could find them to check em out? I've never come across them in all my broad researching I've done.

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you can search LSUed Speckle trout telemetry

Here is some more info

I will be making banners and signs to place at the landing soon to contact the CCA and other leaders that until proven other wise we want our 25 Trout limits back

http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/reso...2008/10-08.htm

Cool deal. Have to check it out sometime.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make before, and as I've stated, I am not trying to argue with you or say you don't know what you're talking about, but going off of my background in ecology, there are too many variables that say if you too everything away from those fish, or you increased that population past its K, fish are going to move out of the system. Telemetry studies only tell you so much, and most telemetry studies do not tag every individual. I completely agree with you, there are a LOT of fish out there. But nature has a way of balancing itself.
I understand these fish will live in this system all their life, but those telemetry studies show how fish move based on salinity. Who can argue that they will not do that in response to a food shortage. No one, because 1) we don't know what constitutes a food shortage for trout, and as you have noted, on a calm day the lake is alive with bait fish, and 2) we just don't know how they would respond to a shortage because as far as I can tell, we have not experienced such an event because it is an open system and bait fish will move in and out.

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You can talk about it all you want. There's an old saying that goes..."The squeaky wheel gets the grease", but, I think the bearings are gonna dry up in this case. For the sake of assumption, let's assume that the law was an "epic fail", although, there's no facts to prove this theory. Do you really think the powers that be are going to admit their mistake by overturning their decision? How can you say that this is not about "politics" when you've used that as your platform all along.....politics and money?

Its not a Political Discussion its a EPIC FAIL and we need to change this

Well, what exactly do you think needs to happen for it to be changed? I doubt seriously catching 45 trout without a 5 lber is gonna carry much weight.

Well i know this...I fish over 100 days a year and when I fish I always locate bait so unless our fish or dumb, blind and have zero instinct I know for a fact we dont have lack of food

One thing I have learned is dont over think a easy problem...you can use the moon, sun, stars ,rain ,wind or even how it hangs in the mourning but its not that hard of a problem.

What has changed ??
1)2005 Hurricane

2)2006 Trout Limit to 15

what could cause a problem?
Hurricane? Blew our levees at Grand and Lambert bayou and trout and redfish population exploded to record numbers the next few years
NO REPORTS of any type of fish kills
Lake was loaded with bait and had a huge shrimp bloom
My data books have 2006-2007-2008 my largest numbers of fish caught thus far

Limit change?
Still catch larger number or trout
Still have tons of bait and shrimp
Lack of big trout vs pre limit change


We have had real wet years and real dry years and all my books show me catching close to the same numbers of fish each month from year to year....with some months i have fished more days than other due to weather

We have 60 foot ship channel that could be holding all the larger trout and no one is catching them.....??

One thread wasn't enough?

No, but if you can prove that you need to be catching 75 trout instead of 45 for the sake of the health of the system, that SHOULD carry a lot of weight. SHOULD because sound ecological knowledge is hard to come by without the proper monetary support, and because not all will listen to sound ecological knowledge.

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if this needs to go public lol then you need to post on the "other" site....oh wait you can't......

Lmao.

But...he can't and neither can anyone else.

This is a private site. Whether we like it or not. It is a buisness.

More to come...I'm sure.

W, you can't even keep a thread from going under...how you expect to get this limit reversed? :smokin:

U Mad..........Must be the one who is butthurt because your padna's made the Biggest EPIC FAIL In fishing history and it back fired in there face and every person who dont spend all week in a office knows this

My point exactly. Not bashing on Waltrip, just stating that no one has the evidence to back it up, now or when it was originally changed.

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So why did they change it???


Lets see....O because Some guys got butthurt over some big trout pics and need a reason to go to Baton Rouge to cry so the 15 limit using Texas water with bad estuary's info to compare to our great fishery

W since you have so much power and while you are taking up causes, please do something about the taxes that I am paying, I also do not like national healthcare oh and I would also like to kill 15 ducks per person from October to March. If I can think of any other loosing battles for you to fight I will let you know.

Have a good Sunday.

well there is "ACTUAL Study's that proves DUCK LIMITS"
Vote NOV 3rd for a Republican and your taxes will come down

Nice Bryaden, stay classy young fellow.

Nothing about my post was serious. Just like this thread. It's something that can be argued allllll day long, but nothing will be changed.

Brayden, who owns this site? Anyone can be kicked off at anytime for any reason. It is a business.

And as Casey just said, stay classy

YOUR RIGHT....OFFICE PILGRIMS.......Come to the landings and listen to real fisherman talk.....I bet they want talk this non sense crap around them

If you dont like what I have to say...


EASY DONT FREAKEN READ IT

Stop Hijacking my thread...this is for serious fisherman

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no i'm not mad jeremy in fact i could care less...your barking up the wrong tree fella...regardless of what or who you think i know...

My point is this:

You have the agenda that you want to go "public" with, unfortunately you have burnt so many briges with "public" websites acting like a sophmoric idoit that you are contained to one place. If you would have been smart you could've built a reputation on respect and humility but you've dropped the ball on that one too. Yeah you may be a great guy in person but your internet personlity is a psychotic mess which probably will do you more harm than good in your agenda.

Your office comments do piss me off, i guess some of us weren't lucky enough to obtain an offshore job. You don't think office people can fish, how racisit is this...classic bigotry. But being the closed minded person you are i don't expect you to understand.

Regardless of the decsision that was made, keep personal grudges out of it and make it about the idea of reassessing the situation.

and i'm not "butt hurt" are you going to use this terminology when you address WLF and other memebers that will be critical in obtaining your goal???

Oh this is a serious thread? Well in that case, I stick to my not so serious opinion and say the only ones not in favor are ones who can't manage to catch a limit now. It would benefit the estuary. Why not try? Give it a 5 year span to prove a point? What do we have to lose? We already have dink trout

Tournament wins on big lake....

Office fishermen -0

W and huntin fool - 0

Looks like a tie.

Re figure your numbers pal.

Cabelas tournament 2 years ago, 1st place redfish.
Ahhh lucky there, W and Fool take the lead.

Really I dont care what anyone thinks .....Come around where it matters and i have spoke to ones who went to Baton Rouge

AND YES...This is coming from ones who know fishing...who live fishing ...who do it everyday


OFFICE FISHERMAN who work 9-5 sit in desk all day and fish one or two weekends that cried about this 15 trout limit so they could enforce the 2-0ver 25inch law (sneak in)

When our SPR #s are high enough to support 30 Trout per person why would you want to go to 15???

Im sorry some cant get out and fish as much as me or others but dont talk about a subject you know very little about until you put your time and money into it

25 or bust......

W +1

This is the problem...being well thought of could potentially help.

I did not realize that, very cool.

No no no.. who caught the winning red. Fool and midget +1

Then I could be loved like WD and cry about big lake Limits and killing big trout but get on the cover of the BIG TROUT Book and magazine holding 9lb trout


WINNING

there you go...lol amazing...I don't know him from a turnip but it sounds like a personal deal. I'm done here I've got some weedeating to do...gotta get ready for my big day at the office tomorrow...lol

And that is why these threads get moved. You cannot have a discussion without bashing an orgnization (which is now a site sponsore) or a person or their family. If you started a thread lime MathGeek does with facts and his we could leave this in the open area.

I don't care personally if the limit is 15 or 25, if 15 helps the lake then I support it, if not I don't. What I have said is 15 trout (which by the way it has been a long time since I did not catch at least 15 trout on my trips you claim me to be an office fishermen whatever that means) is plenty for me.

Learn to state your opinion with facts or at least without singling people out who are not here to defend themselves.

and getting talked about does do!!! You would not believe:rolleyes: me if I told you..

What I find funny is the club w guys no longer post reports on the site and rarely post, why should I as the owner continue to allow you or your club to push the envelope? It's an honest question. I personally do not care to be associated with you when you start attacking people on here, I become guilty by association.

I post plenty of Fact.....More than were given when the limit was changed.....SO dont call me out for not knowing fact....
Ill re post them all again hang on

Yep then you follow it up with post about organizations or specific people. Let your facts speak for themselves and move on.

Because this issue is destroying our lake we fish...this is a fishing site...

but if you dont want me here...LET ME KNOW TODAY....We will be glad to go!!

If we cant talk about fishing and issues on a fishing site...then what the hell is it far

AND I POSTED 3 Reports last week...but since i dont post that many I can slim that number down to ZERO:D

By who do you call club w. Just wanting a list of names.
I post reports when I have time. And post when I have time.

It's a free country W, do what you feel will make you happy. Your little crew has all but left the site already so who cares.

Post about your opinion if you would like but keep people's names out of it. And for the record I have never even met the family in Lake Charles that you blame for this, I just do not think it is right to smash individuals on here that cannot defend themselves.

I haven't been posting reports .......... sorry been crazy busy I'll do a weekly report for ya

I would greatly appreciate it Kade, thank you.