Ribbon Dog vrs Rock Dogs
 

Ok Raymond if you would like to run your dog against mine in the marsh I game. We can have a blind at 300 or 400 yrs. the blind will consist of cut grass, cattails and a thick patch of rozas. You will cast the dog from the dogplatform and let him go no whistles or hand signals after the cast. You will be able to see your dog for about 50 yrds and after that he is on his on. I will place a private substanal amount with you

Boom lets rumble

Let the party begin im ready to see this show down

Would love to but that's not a Blind its a SOB (stumble on blind). By definition a blind retrieve is one the dog did not see fall and is handled to by the handler generally in the straightest line possible. You can check my stats on entryexpress.net and find that I'm not big into $2 ribbons. Quit years ago and have only played with Gun dogs for the past 13 yrs. my definition of rock dogs; not steady, break on either shot or safety going off, not force fetched and generally a PIA to be in a blind with. If that's not what you have then what's your issue? Do you not agree that hard charging dogs will almost always be the ones who get lost the most? I couldn't pull braquets dog off a cripple last year at 600yds with a 6 high continuous. Maybe you should come over and see for yourself how I build a dog, its about giving them the tools to get the job done.

well im stuck in the gulf since wed and suppose to be back wed so im ready for the ansews yall making miss my dog.

It's hard to eat bumpers no matter how much you boil them they just don't get tender!!!!!!!

Use a pressure cooker and season with a little crab boil.;)

LMBO... that made my morning...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

U don't have to 4 grand in a dog to have a good dog u got all that money in a dog to pick up rubber dummy's really!!!!

yea lil rab seen tboys dog clyde we would half to stop on a gravel rd.before getting to blind to fill pockets with rocks but he work.

Ribbon dog or rock dog neither ones worth a crap in a bad grassy marsh if they dont have a good nose seen both fail terribly because their Cc nose wasnt worth a damn. And that a fact jack.

So what is y'all's definition of a "good dog"?

obedience first family dog and hunting partner and best friend

That's what I thought you have to have a robot dog to have a dog. I guess my dogs are rock dogs because neither is forced fetched but they pick up over 800 birds a year. I don't believe in having collars on the dog at all times you work them either. If you as the handler cant build a trust and relationship with your dog than you don't need to handle them. I cant run my dogs in the ribbon contest cause mine learn to pick up more than one duck on a pass, that's just hunting dogs. Now on the hard charging dogs that's what you trained and that is not good for hunting. Looks good in the field runs but not for rock dogs

My dog was picked up from the pound, I did a little work with him but for the most part he just likes to hunt and its in his blood. Maybe he came from good blood who knows but I couldn't ask for a better dog all around. First time I brought him to the marsh he decided he would make his own blind...never even seen a duck before. I've heard plenty of bad about ribbon dogs and rock dogs...glad I've got a natural...and they all got bad habits just depends on how the owner reacts..

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Mines no ribbon dog. But I don't have to throw rocks for it. Has great drive and a helluva nose. He had confidence issues before but now he is straight and loves to hunt. 4am every morn he ready to hunt even if we aren't going he lets me know he is sad we aren't, he whimpers a lil then realizes we aren't going and goes back to bed. Very obedient as well


"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

Nope, never said that. Said trained dogs are generally more pleasurable to be around and hunt with. See, you have never owned one but have a preconceived idea of what they are. Ask Braquet, Cajunforeman,Geraldtt,chicken, if they can tell a difference between what their thoughts are now versus before owning a trained dog. Anyone who says they don't want a trained dog is either lying or stupid. No different than saying you would hate to be rich, just a way to try and justify a shaky position; opinion not fact. You'll find more people who change their idea of trained dogs after owning one than those who say they'll go back to rocks.

See my dog is trained and it was trained by me. He cost me 600.00 when I bought him at 3 weeks old. He is very obedient and will do anything I ask of him. He is also one of my family laying in the utility room right now out the weather. You have always contradicted everyone on training there dog, that it has to be this way are you don't have nothing. Like force fetching that's bull to have to do it to dogs, now on some cases I understand. If you have to handle your dog the whole way on a blind don't come to our marsh unless you cant get him to go more than 50 yrds

Mine? One that doesn't tear **** up all over the house, is happy to see me everyday when I get home, and enjoys the afternoon walk with me while I drink my beer. Having a Titled dog, that is a machine in the marsh and field that loves to hunt as much as she loves to lay on the couch turned out to be lagniappe!

Ramond there is no way I would enjoy hunting without a trained dogs, again thanks for the help with mine after hunting season looking forward to getting back in training again. I once went hunting in Texas on a guided hunt the guides dog went on boom he said to us if your dog goes on anything else but boom he would be late every time. I can't see how he could enjoy hunting with that type of dog.

What is your definition of a "good dog"? I know you just described your dog, but what would be the attribute you look for when you hunt with someone else's dog? What does that dog do that makes you say "man, he/she has a real nice dog"?

I hunted with lots of dogs some come from trainers and some from guys who trained them


By far 100% dogs trained by owners of dog were better dogs!!

I have hunted with D's dog and that mule is a machine!! Sucker picks up 2-3 ducks at a time...

I have been on 3 hunts of opening day in my life with dogs that came from trainers

Dog #1 ; Little Chenier about 20 years ago my cousin got his prize field breed lab (3k) back from training for opening of duck season!!
1st 3 shots this dog took off like lighting and we never saw him for 3 days

Dog #2 ; 2010 Rice field, buddy just got his prize 7k total with training dog back and never seen a dog get beat so much because it did not know what a duck was!! Would not pick up birds

Dog #3 2012 Rice Field, Dog was a trainers for 8months and buddy was bragging about how bad azz this dog was and showed me some trials he won that summer ( yada yada yada) This dog retrieved more decoys and tangled up more decoys than he got ducks!!

I'll bring my dog and, he'll show your rock and ribbon dogs a few things...How to not do jack sheet and, still get fed! I'm sure he'd sit and, admire their working from the shade and, never move a muscle!

My definition of a good dog is one the owner is happy with. Some I wouldn't give you 2 cents for but they are happy and does what they want them too. Just tired of rock dog talk and you have to train your dog this way to be the best so I called him out

I understand but that doesn't answer my question. For example; if I saw a dog that could be "no'd" off of 2 dead birds he saw fall, floating on both sides of the pond, and run a blind in between and past them to pick up a cripple he didn't see fall (a common field trial setup called a "poison bird blind") that would make me say "man that's a nice dog". I don't care how he/she got there, if it was FF'd or not, what training methods were used, etc. I'm not judging how other people get their animals to work for them. I'm just wondering what people's opinions and expectations were.

$hit, you can have any kind of dog you want I don't care but you can't tell me coonazz dog training is preferable to a true training program. My only contradiction is trying to separate fact from Fiction(opinions repeated as Fact). Your argument doesn't hold water, but that's ok. Ill keep training them like I have been and my clients will be happy.

This is an age old battle that is every board I frequent........bottom line if YOUR dog makes you happy good for you....if YOUR HUNTING partner's dog makes you happy good for you

If a dog your hunting with is not worth a ****, keep your pie hole shut.
people don't like you calling there baby ugly.

My dog is about as well mannered as the queen at a debutante ball in the blind.
GREAT dog to be around, but in his third year he is struggling with blinds.......

I am NOT a lab guy because I have hunted with way more that were a neaurotic mess then a good hunters, But I damn well know they are out there......would NEVER call a man's dog out......that's just poor gentelmanship IMO

a Good Dog Hmmm lets see it is a dog that will lay with u on the couch play fetch with the kids an when its time to work her *** is in the truck waiting on u. My dog was trained by me she does what she was trained to do an thats to pick up ducks an geese an she will die trying to make sure she gets every last one of them my dog hunts twice a day everyday an does not ever give up shes with me evrywheres i go she my kid my best friend an the best hunting buddy i could ever ask for an she only cost me 250 bucks.i have had dogs in my blind that the owner paid 7-8K that has said they would rather hunt with my dog then theres

Im agreeing with W hunted with some high dollar dogs and would work beautiful but could not finish the job because they had no nose but had titles coming out the wazoo.

Lmao this thread delivers!!

They must have had a coonazz training them

Very well said sir!!

I am the dog most of the time, I listen, fetch, know left and right, and back!!


Im about 99.99% successful retrieve

So bottom line... If the dog isn't trained by a "credible" trainer then it's junk? Curious?


"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

That's pretty much what I understand

I really think a lot of people get confused on the difference between a fact and an opinion.

That's just a description of your day to day with your personal dog, you only described that she "was trained by me she does what she was trained to do an thats to pick up ducks an geese", it's a nice animal I'm sure. But I'm still waiting on someone to tell me a true to life hunting scenario that really shows off a dogs trained or natural abilities and would make them say "now that's a good dog".

That is because said trainer is making money on the deal.
Wouldnt be a very good salesman if didnt believe in his product

Triple mark. That's good nuff fer me


"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

well i always trained my dogs and decided to get one trained i put his obedience on him and basics and let a trainer finsh i will always send one to be fined tuned.i like mine because he hunts on his own or if he needs a had from me will listen.but every one is differant.but i do believe if you buy a olded dog trained you dont have the same bond as raising them from a pup.kind of like having a kid and send off to private school all his life apossed to one u raised,

Im not against a trained dog by any means but don't see anything wrong with a dog that gets the job done without ruining everyones hunt...Now I hear of this on many occasions, got a pup owned for a couple weeks, send it out for months and get it back. It doesn't even seem like it would be "your" dog more like another tool in the field...sure the dog may be lovable and good with the family but there is a bond that I think should come with the owner training his own dog...not that I wouldn't own a ribbon dog if I had the chance...but it wouldn't be my $ going into that dog

A good dog IMO is a dog that makes its owner happy. Whats good for some may not be good for others. If the owner is happy its a good dog. To heck with what others think as long as the owner is happy with his dog. If it takes a multi $k dog to make a guy happy then more power to him but if a guy is happy with a less expensive or free dog then more power to him. Whatever makes the owner happy is a good dog no matter the cost or type of training. If your purpose for having a dog is to impress other people then you're missing the point completely.

Spunt this isnt a shot at you or anyone else so I hope it didnt sound that way. Just my take on it. To each his own.

I guess one has to ask theirself. Do you want a "good dog" or a "trained dog"

What is the difference

I want a trained dog, cause I know it will be a good dog.

When I was guiding, in my experiences, most of my customers appreciated my ribbon dog. We had 15 guides, so the spectrum of dogs ranged widely. The "rock" dogs were seldom praised. But the trained dogs were always praised. Not poking at anyone, just stating my experiences.

I have a "good dog" Little king Charles spaniel. Sits on my lap everynight. Goes gets her little stuffed animal. But she is not trained to hunt. I guess it depends on ones definition of a "good dog"

I hunt with a guy that paid 0 for his lab and trained it himself, and that dog will hunt/chase a cripple down until he gets it. They hunt a small lake and i watched that dog chase a cripple about 400 yards away that kept diving on him and the dog went under the water to get that bird. The dog like D's is like a machine and will pick up 2-3 ducks at a time. Oh and listens very well and this dog picks up i bet over 700 birds a year.

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My "good" dog......this woodie did the "woodie" walk, he made it to timber about 70 yards in front the blind.

Quaid did not mark the bird, and I could not get him "back enough" so a pirouged over and let him hunt. He brought the bird right back after about 5 minutes, which is a lifetime when you can't see your buddy dog.

So, is he good or bad? His limitations are mine, plain and simple.

He is not going to win ribbons, but I know a good trainer will get more out of him.

I respect the hell out guys that can get that out a dog. I also know many that take advantage of people.

Choose your poison, but this discussion is apples and oranges

Let's see, I went duck hunting with someone, and their dog picked up every bird and brought it back to the blind. "Now that's a good dog." ;)