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and so do i:d:d:d

And people like you will just sit back and let em have whatever they want. And people like W are willing to die fighting for what they believes in. Not saying he's actually willing to die for trout limits. But u know what I mean.

Riddle me this...... How did the new Snapper regs come about? Facts were presented to the right people. Things they thought about snapper populations were wrong. Such a small limit and it was hard not to catch one. I know we aren't talking Snapper here but come on, facts are facts. We are not talking 10 Commandments here, things can be changed.

Issue is not most of the peeps on the site or others who fish the lake...seems there is ONE person that is judge and jury for the limit reduction / increase from what I READ......

Most peeps who target big trout do not even eat fish \ trout....i guess in their eyes if you reduce the limit it reduces the boats on the lake...seems it did not work since there are still a lot of boats on the lake.

I target big trout. But I eat em too

The biggest one who wanted this TROPHY LAKE does not eat fish he just fishes and releases them...SO the limit could be one....he dont care but for his greed he rather nobody catch large limits and by pass the HIGHER UPS that KNOW WHATS going on...

Here is a section that was a PUBLIC Statement (Make this CLEAR SO IM NOT ACCUSED OF BASHING )...This is what the 15 Trout limit was all about and this only


Trophy status
On the other side of Calcasieu Lake, Kirk Stansel of Hackberry Rod and Gun Club wants the lake granted “trophy status.” He also supports a 15-fish daily creel and wants to see the minimum size raised to 14 inches to give fish one more chance to spawn before hitting an ice chest.
“I’d like to see the lake declared ‘the trophy estuary of the Gulf Coast,’” he said. “Everyone wants to catch a limit of fish, but the majority of people who come here from other areas want to catch a big trout, not fill their freezers. If we lower the limit and the rest of the state keeps the 25-fish limit, that will hurt our business some, but if we lose our fish, we won’t have any business at all. If the lake is declared a trophy lake, that might even increase our clientele.”
Stansel said his club fishes about 10 boats per day, each with a guide and one to three anglers. They can expand to 20 boats if necessary. Their boats catch a three-person limit of 75 trout about three to five percent of the time or less.

And, apparently this person you speak of has more power and influence than you......money, too.

You're right..."we aren't talking snapper here."

You also compared the Calcasieu estuary to a "pond". :eek: :confused:

The biggest lake in Colorado is Blue Mesa Reservoir which produced a state record lake trout in 2007 at over 50 pounds, which edged out a 46+ pound lake trout caught in 2003. However, the lake trout were beginning to be overpopulated and once there were too many lake trout for their food supply, their growth rates slowed and fatness plummeted. There simply was not enough food for them to reach trophy potential.

The Colorado Division of Wildlife moved to remedy the situation with a combination of completely removing the limit on lake trout under 38" long in the reservoir combined with an aggressive culling program (the state nets and kills thousands of lake trout in a certain size range). First, the lake trout's food sources began to rebound, and then their fatness and growth rates increase so that the reservoir is returning to the trophy potential of earlier years.

To be comparable, I'm assuming this lake opens into the Gulf?

Same is true on Big Lake...Studies already proved that 90% of the trout stay and live in the estuary year round

The ones who voted for this dumb crap....now try to use that big trout come in cycles ....hell almost 7 years later that cycle is getting longer and longer

Guess it will come once we get the limit back to 25

I got a buddy that fishes down in Florida. Maybe, while you're at it, you can get their redfish limit doubled....to two. I'm sure Texas inland guys would appreciate a little boost, as well.

I havent fished enough trout in Big Lake to make a stand, But I have gotten one hell of a lesson. Awesome thread. I think I agree with EVERYBODY....almost!

Is it me or do I sense a little tension in the air?

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Don't you have some Price is Right to go watch or something

This is priceless right here.

Just a little? :rolleyes:

Just ignore Salty....dude is old as dirt and has not caught a trout since last ice age....he just like to cause conflict to keep this post going

Like each other or not...This post has over 4300 views. Theres your start.

I'm causing "conflict" by stating that you are pissin' in the wind with this lil campaign to get a call reversed that it took maybe millions of dollars to set in the first place? :eek:

This is all were worried about right now
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With a river running through it.

Ha Ha....you didn't know that until I told ya. :rolleyes: :shaking: :smokin:

Oh that's right. Didn't know it. We weren't here when the ship channel was dug, unlike you.

That's what it sounds like to me. :eek:

　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

　
　
　
　
　

Lol.

So what you are saying is fish can't swim upstream. Lol. Only time more trout come into biglake is on incoming tides. Y'all heard it here first. Fish incoming tides if you want to catch fresh "new" trout. Outgoing tides bring bass from up north.

I once brought a knife to a gunfight, just to even the odds.”

U better hurry

That's probably what you thought until I was kind enough to explain it to you.

I'll just post up at the jetties tomorrow eve and get em all when the outgoing flushes em all out.

Comparisons with Florida and Texas miss the mark, because they assume that fishing pressure is the biggest factor in productivity of a fishery. It isn't.

The two overwhelmingly most important factors for productivity in a fishery are habitat quality and food. Louisiana kicks butt in the production of shrimp, crabs, and oysters because it's inshore waters and marshes are simply much higher quality. The Mississippi river supplies higher levels of fertility and the delta habitat is simply superior to FL and TX. Many decades ago, Galveston Bay had nearly the potential of most LA estuaries, but it was destroyed by overharvesting of oysters, run-off and pollution from Houston area development, and by other ecological abuses.

You don't produce quality seatrout by being overprotective of younger seatrout, especially when there are already too many hungry mouths to feed. The habitat (oyster beds) and food sources (shrimp and gulf menhaden primarily) are in need of protection, and the way to most effectively protect them is to reduce the numbers of their biggest predator, the spotted seatrout.

FL redfish also have to compete with lots of other species in the inshore and nearshore waters that are much less common in inshore LA waters. The expected weight of a FL redfish of a given length is much thinner than a LA redfish, because there is a lot more competition for the same food, and the competitors tend to be more effective predators than the redfish in the clearer FL waters.

When the deer population exceeds about 15 deer per square mile, you no longer get many monster 10 pointers, you get a lot of runt bucks and does.

First of all, I was being sarcastic. :rolleyes: Secondly, Florida and Texas' regs are where they're at because of one thing....GILL NETS!!

After we get 25 limit back were gonna get our gill nets back too lol

Top dawg, ill be at ward 8/white oak.. ill text ya when the fish start running, that way you can get your nets ready at the jetties for bass.

Cool let me know. Dipped my net yesterday should be dry by now ready to string it out. Gonna be epic lol

Oh heck yea. Maybe after we get done, we go clean our catch on the ole grady and drink a brew.

W, I think you should ask about the 15 fish limit at the next CCA meeting if you really want to get the message out....I am sure most of the "powers that be" who were involved in changing the limit will be at it.....

Sounds like a good day. But not before we seine the beach on the way out.

Deal. Stop by the speckled trout on the way out and get a gift that keeps giving??

Lol I ain't gonna comment on that. I've had some rough nights in hackberry. Lol

This thread has gone to crap. Y'all have fun with your "Save the World" campaign, ladies. I'm done.

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I've been watching this. And here's what I learned.

15 trout limit
Some don't like it
Some are ok with it

And mathgeek is one smart dude.

I would spend my energy on them worrying about the oystering over there, but thats just me.

Note that this 2011 PhD dissertation not only says that the rule changes were not justified by biological considerations, it also says that the rule changes afford an opportunity to evaluate the response of the spotted seatrout population to the rule changes.

In other words, the assertion is that current assessments of the spotted seatrout population in Big Lake would be measuring the impact of lowering of the limit and slot rather than other things like hurricane Rita which have been asserted by others in the discussion as potentially confounding factors. The dissertation studies the impact of changes in salinity and meteorological effects of things like tropical storms, and yet it concludes that impact of the regulation change can be measured through standard stock assessment methods.

And this is not only the opinion of the author, Dr. Jody Callihan, as the thesis was carefully reviewed by his thesis advisor, Dr. Jim Cowan, a Professor in the Department of Oceanography and Coastal Sciences at LSU. Dr. Cowan is a national leader in the biology of estuarine fishes having authored dozens of papers, overseen millions in research dollars, and served on the editoral board of several prestigious fisheries journals. Dr. Callihan's PhD Dissertation was also reviewed and approved by Dr. Jaye E. Cable, now a Professor in Marine Sciences at UNC-Chapel Hill and Dr. James Geaghan, Professor and Dept. Head in the LSU Dept. of Experimental Statistics.

I agree completely. The over harvesting of oysters carries the risk of significant habitat destruction which is much more likely to have longer term negative impacts compared with the under harvesting of spotted seatrout which is much more quickly reversible, especially if reversed within a few years.

You mean these guys know more that the office fisherman who ran to Baton Rouge??? Man that's hard to believe that someone who studies this kind of thing is overlooked by a hand full of people who out of greed want to control the lake





Wait it's Louisiana , Almost forgot

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That one group who got the limits changed.....don't eat oysters..so there not worried about it

Exactly, that is the real issue we should all work together on.