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					Originally Posted by  Shawn Braquet
					 
				 
				Would you think that you couldn't run pattern blinds without force?  My thoughts are if its running blinds, well willing to go on a blind, he should be able to get it out to single T, then double T and pattern blinds...swim by would be icing on the cake!  I guess hard to tell without seeing the pup.  A lot of people think more of a dog then what is actually there sometimes IMO. 
 
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 I think that handling can be taught by teaching handling.  It sounds like the dog won't handle because it don't know what sit is and doesn't understand the concept.  I have taught dogs to run blinds without force fetch.  It was not fun and took a long time and I constantly had to re-teach things.  Both of those dogs ran blinds and were hrch but looking back it was painful.