i will take mr raymonds side only reason is when you teach a dog to hunt on its on he will go so far on a pattern unless u go further with him in marsh while a audiable dog will work on voice and sight not having you to walk 100yards in the marsh to keep getting your dog to go further on his grid.no bashing just trying to explain and i seen some rock dogs go far i had half chessie and choclate and he did not know when to give up and keep going.
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