All I'm saying is when y'all's dogs pick up 7 to 800 birds a year in the most thickest **** u have ever seen gets cut up lips around but still has the heart to go an never seen a trainer an that works an listens better than most kids an you don't need a whistle around ur neck or stand up out the blind so the dog can see you to tell it witch way to go an still gets the job done so u don't have to get out the blind an can hunt in a marsh in the morning an then in the afternoon go to the rice field an pick up a limit of specks an work just as good now that's a good dog. I have seen first hand dogs work wonderful in the marsh then u put the in a rice field an they suck or the other way around but when u got a dog that does both yea that's a real dog
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