I shot a doe with a mechanical several years back, she was about 25' from the tree, when the arrow hit it dang near did a u-turn & came out pointing up! Have seen it on video slow motion of a deer quartering away arrow was placed at about the last rib & did the same thing, turned & came out in the guts pointing almost backwards. The thunderheads & muzzy's to me are the best bet. Have downed a many of them with the 100 gr & 125 gr thunderheads.
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