Concealed Weapon Permit

[duckman1911]

I really love the lazy lazer crowd. Now before the lazer guys jump on me let me explain. I think a lazer is a great tool to for advid shooters that know how to use their weapon in any condition. I'm talking about the "I got a lazer I don't have to practice anymore" crowd. Gun sits in the night stand for three years and when something goes bump in the night guess what. The batteries are dead and you haven't practiced in three years. Didn't have to because you had a lazer. Right

[marty f]

I love my laser its a great tool. but I only have one and stated earlier why I have one

My son wanted a scope and a laser when he first started shooting..........NOPE didn't get one until he master the iron sights. He is just now starting to shoot with a scope.

[evidrine]

First off I don't carry in church basically because bit is against the law. Secondly, because of your special training you were declaired a "security team" which only allows you to carry in church with permission. You cannot lawfully disarm anyone. Third, the more you refer to it as "if you come into the MY church" just makes me not want to go there. It's supposed to be everyone's church. We all have a basic right to protect ourselves and each other. Unfortunately we have hoops to jump through to do so the way we would all like to. The whole "I believe that I am trained more than you are" or "I have special permission and you don't" is the same attitude that we as gun owners are fighting against. I understand your intentions but it sounds like a broken record to me. We all have to obey the law, no one's disagreeing with you on that. The right to cc or oc should be encouraged not discouraged.

[Shawn Braquet]

Originally Posted by evidrine

First off I don't carry in church basically because bit is against the law. Secondly, because of your special training you were declaired a "security team" which only allows you to carry in church with permission. You cannot lawfully disarm anyone. Third, the more you refer to it as "if you come into the MY church" just makes me not want to go there. It's supposed to be everyone's church. We all have a basic right to protect ourselves and each other. Unfortunately we have hoops to jump through to do so the way we would all like to. The whole "I believe that I am trained more than you are" or "I have special permission and you don't" is the same attitude that we as gun owners are fighting against. I understand your intentions but it sounds like a broken record to me. We all have to obey the law, no one's disagreeing with you on that. The right to cc or oc should be encouraged not discouraged.

And this explains us as humans different ways of interpreting words. I look at Cajun using "MY church" as ownership and pride much like I refer to the plant I work at as "MY" plant and the jobs that I plan as "MY" jobs. I take a lot of pride in my work thus taking ownership so when something goes wrong or right it is "MY" doings. I could see how it could come off as a forum member power trip though too but I've had the pleasure to meet Mr. Cajun on multiple occasions and would not see him as presenting himself in this manner. But like I said different interpretations can be different for other people especially when conversing over the interweb. As far as law and disarming someone I'm no lawyer so who knows. I would imagine if said firearm could be viewed as a threat then you as an individual are within your rights to attempt to disarm said person through self defense. I would imagine if the team is as trained as they claim to be said person would simply be escorted out unless a gun is being aimed at someone. Then I would imagine the team would handle the situation as best the see it and also at that point I would imagine another team member would have already had the appropriate LEO dispatched to assist.

[duckman1911]

I don't think CC's stance is unreasonable. Large crowd, bad situation and not knowing the skill level of people who are packing. I don't agree with being disarmed myself but I understand why he has his stance. I also don't think it would be unreasonable for a member to be cleared to carry after showing a satisfactory skill level to the security team. Pass our qualification and you are clear to carry. Too many variables to have everything perfect. I think if you carry a weapon you have a personal responsibility to maintain a proficient skill level.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

I don't think CC's stance is unreasonable. Large crowd, bad situation and not knowing the skill level of people who are packing. I don't agree with being disarmed myself but I understand why he has his stance. I also don't think it would be unreasonable for a member to be cleared to carry after showing a satisfactory skill level to the security team. Pass our qualification and you are clear to carry. Too many variables to have everything perfect. I think if you carry a weapon you have a personal responsibility to maintain a proficient skill level.

AMEN to both you and Shawn. It is anything but an ego trip when I refer to it as my church. If you dedicated as many hours to your church, you would take ownership and responsibility for it. I take my responsibility seriously. I am not special, any more than the person gifted with Praying, or Giving, Pastoring, Greeting, or Singing. We simply have different ministries. Each is using their God given talents to further His kingdom, NONE of us are special. And here's a news flash, NEITHER ARE YOU! Our Security Team just says, until you can prove your proficiency with a weapon to OUR satisfaction, you will not be allowed to carry in OUR church. Take that any way you want it, criticize it, butcher it, I really don't care at this point. I have tried to explain it as simply as I can. And if you don't think anyone on the team can tell you to put your weapon in your vehicle or leave, shoot me a PM, I'll meet you at church Sunday. You might want to bring enough money for bail.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Our Security Team just says, until you can prove your proficiency with a weapon to OUR satisfaction, you will not be allowed to carry in OUR church. .

I can see CC point here. No different then on my property in AR and they way Im having it built. I DONT NOT WANT ANYONE on my property I don't authorize as armed. ESPCIALLY the Gobernment........ ITs private property stay the hell off! Same as a church its private property abide by their rules or stay the hell off......... pretty simple my property my rules, his property his rules............

[evidrine]

Ok, let's try this again without getting someone's feelings hurt. No one here is trying to say that what you do is a bad thing. It's a good thing. My opinion is just my opinion I believe that anyone who believes in the constitution should understand that we all have the right to protect ourselves and family in any way, shape, or form necessary. Now, on another note, I can't invite you to my home and have my neighbor going around telling guests that they need to leave or be disarmed in any way. That is my job. I need to put up a sign or tell them myself. I am the property owner, not my neighbor. You sir, are not the property owner. I also believe that no one is more capable of protecting my family than I am. As are you with yours. It's first and foremost my responsibility and no one else's. I should not have to prove that to anyone. But once again, I know the law and abide by the law. It says I can't carry in a church so I don't. The solution to making this society safer is to arm more citizens, not disarm them. Even over regulating is not a good thing. While you limit us, the bad guy will still get a gun. I may not be training to be in a fire fight, but I am more than capable of protecting my self and family. No one should be allowed to take that away from anyone. These are my views and I don't expect everyone to agree with them. Just don't take them to wrong way. I do obey the law. It doesn't mean I always have to agree with it.

[Matt G]

Since this thread has already derailed past saving............

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[fishfighter]

Originally Posted by Matt G

Since this thread has already derailed past saving............

yeahp every one deserves to be able to carry a gun cause they will use it responsibly

[Matt G]

Originally Posted by fishfighter

yeahp every one deserves to be able to carry a gun cause they will use it responsibly

And where in my post was that implied? I think you're reading too much into it.

[fishfighter]

Originally Posted by Matt G

And where in my post was that implied? I think you're reading too much into it.

where did i say you said anything? i just used your quote cause i agreed with you that this post has gone beyond saving


what i put was for the others saying that we need more people with guns, where that is true but that is a really thin line, can't keep guns away from stupid people, other wise we wouldn't be in the spot we are in

[Matt G]

Originally Posted by fishfighter

where did i say you said anything? i just used your quote cause i agreed with you that this post has gone beyond saving


what i put was for the others saying that we need more people with guns, where that is true but that is a really thin line, can't keep guns away from stupid people, other wise we wouldn't be in the spot we are in

Gotcha......

[fishfighter]

Originally Posted by Matt G

Gotcha......

we good

[evidrine]

You will never keep guns out of the hands of stupid people. The problem is when you try to keep them out of the hands of the good ones. Leaving good honest people defenceless against stupid people. Unfortunately there is no real way to regulate this. The good will be good and the bad will not give a sh**. Just like the saying: "locking a door only keeps the honest people out". We have all heard different variations, but you get the point.

[Dogface]

Agreed, and never out of the hands of the criminals. Tighter laws only hurt the people that obey the law, not the criminal. Now better background checks that might identify those with mental problems could help.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by Dogface

Agreed, and never out of the hands of the criminals. Tighter laws only hurt the people that obey the law, not the criminal. Now better background checks that might identify those with mental problems could help.

Dog, you hit it. The problem is, every time better background checks is brought up, the screaming about gun control begins. Say what you will, certain types gun control is a very good thing. Otherwise we would have felons legally carrying guns, AGAIN!
Vidrine, I hate to say it, but I don't think you'll ever get it. And you are definitely wrong, I am fully authorized to tell you that you cannot carry in OUR church. Like I said, PM me, I'll give you the address, see you Sunday morning, bring bail money. How about the bouncers in the bar you frequent, they don't own the bar, yet they can throw you out, how can that be? I'm done trying to explain to you, PM me, see ya Sunday, I'll prove it to you.
In fact, I am I the process of training a security team in Lafayette at our Sister Church. Not a single member OWNS the church. Let me get done with their training, you won't even have to travel to prove your point. Just let me know when you're ready How about the off duty deputies paid by some churches to do security, they don't own the church either, challenge them and see where you end up. Your argument does not have any credence to it.

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[evidrine]

Sorry, bud I already know the law. Not sure how many times I can repeat myself when I say I do not carry in church because it is illegal for me to do so. Personally with an attitude like yours I would rather not rely on you to protect me or my family. So I will kindly decline your offer. I will say again that my views are my own and that's all. Sorry if that gets you panties all bunched up. Someone commented above about laws allowing criminals to legally carry. Seriously? Since when would that matter? They carry anyway. The only people that suffer from more restrictions are law abiding citizens. But, I am done here. I really enjoy this sight and reading the topics that all you post. So I will let this whole thing go. Difference of opinion that's all.

[marty f]

I wonder if this guy in Ferguson had his CC? ... you know they guy that was shooting at the cops?........

Wait for it..................

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Dogface

Agreed, and never out of the hands of the criminals. Tighter laws only hurt the people that obey the law, not the criminal. Now better background checks that might identify those with mental problems could help.

Everyone here knows I have strong views on guns but I do believe in background checks. Although I do believe the system needs some changes. I do believe that if you pass said background check you should be able to buy anything you want. Go to academy and buy a bazooka if you want to. Go ahead and get a case of hand grenades since you already there.