15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

["W"]

This is not about Politics or Religion

This is about an Epic fail on our lake and needs to be talked about

[Smalls]

Completely agree, Waltrip. Those studies you refered to before, any where I could find them to check em out? I've never come across them in all my broad researching I've done.

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["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Completely agree, Waltrip. Those studies you refered to before, any where I could find them to check em out? I've never come across them in all my broad researching I've done.

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you can search LSUed Speckle trout telemetry

["W"]

Here is some more info

I will be making banners and signs to place at the landing soon to contact the CCA and other leaders that until proven other wise we want our 25 Trout limits back

http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/reso...2008/10-08.htm

[Smalls]

Cool deal. Have to check it out sometime.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make before, and as I've stated, I am not trying to argue with you or say you don't know what you're talking about, but going off of my background in ecology, there are too many variables that say if you too everything away from those fish, or you increased that population past its K, fish are going to move out of the system. Telemetry studies only tell you so much, and most telemetry studies do not tag every individual. I completely agree with you, there are a LOT of fish out there. But nature has a way of balancing itself.
I understand these fish will live in this system all their life, but those telemetry studies show how fish move based on salinity. Who can argue that they will not do that in response to a food shortage. No one, because 1) we don't know what constitutes a food shortage for trout, and as you have noted, on a calm day the lake is alive with bait fish, and 2) we just don't know how they would respond to a shortage because as far as I can tell, we have not experienced such an event because it is an open system and bait fish will move in and out.

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["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Cool deal. Have to check it out sometime.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make before, and as I've stated, I am not trying to argue with you or say you don't know what you're talking about, but going off of my background in ecology, there are too many variables that say if you too everything away from those fish, or you increased that population past its K, fish are going to move out of the system. Telemetry studies only tell you so much, and most telemetry studies do not tag every individual. I completely agree with you, there are a LOT of fish out there. But nature has a way of balancing itself.
I understand these fish will live in this system all their life, but those telemetry studies show how fish move based on salinity. Who can argue that they will not do that in response to a food shortage. No one, because 1) we don't know what constitutes a food shortage for trout, and as you have noted, on a calm day the lake is alive with bait fish, and 2) we just don't know how they would respond to a shortage because as far as I can tell, we have not experienced such an event because it is an open system and bait fish will move in and out.

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Well i know this...I fish over 100 days a year and when I fish I always locate bait so unless our fish or dumb, blind and have zero instinct I know for a fact we dont have lack of food

One thing I have learned is dont over think a easy problem...you can use the moon, sun, stars ,rain ,wind or even how it hangs in the mourning but its not that hard of a problem.

What has changed ??
1)2005 Hurricane

2)2006 Trout Limit to 15

what could cause a problem?
Hurricane? Blew our levees at Grand and Lambert bayou and trout and redfish population exploded to record numbers the next few years
NO REPORTS of any type of fish kills
Lake was loaded with bait and had a huge shrimp bloom
My data books have 2006-2007-2008 my largest numbers of fish caught thus far

Limit change?
Still catch larger number or trout
Still have tons of bait and shrimp
Lack of big trout vs pre limit change


We have had real wet years and real dry years and all my books show me catching close to the same numbers of fish each month from year to year....with some months i have fished more days than other due to weather

We have 60 foot ship channel that could be holding all the larger trout and no one is catching them.....??

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

This is not about Politics or Religion

This is about an Epic fail on our lake and needs to be talked about

You can talk about it all you want. There's an old saying that goes..."The squeaky wheel gets the grease", but, I think the bearings are gonna dry up in this case. For the sake of assumption, let's assume that the law was an "epic fail", although, there's no facts to prove this theory. Do you really think the powers that be are going to admit their mistake by overturning their decision? How can you say that this is not about "politics" when you've used that as your platform all along.....politics and money?

["W"]

Originally Posted by Salty

You can talk about it all you want. There's an old saying that goes..."The squeaky wheel gets the grease", but, I think the bearings are gonna dry up in this case. For the sake of assumption, let's assume that the law was an "epic fail", although, there's no facts to prove this theory. Do you really think the powers that be are going to admit their mistake by overturning their decision? How can you say that this is not about "politics" when you've used that as your platform all along.....politics and money?

Its not a Political Discussion its a EPIC FAIL and we need to change this

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

Its not a Political Discussion its a EPIC FAIL and we need to change this

Well, what exactly do you think needs to happen for it to be changed? I doubt seriously catching 45 trout without a 5 lber is gonna carry much weight.

[Montauk17]

One thread wasn't enough?

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

One thread wasn't enough?

More to come...I'm sure.

[Salty]

W, you can't even keep a thread from going under...how you expect to get this limit reversed?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Salty

Well, what exactly do you think needs to happen for it to be changed? I doubt seriously catching 45 trout without a 5 lber is gonna carry much weight.

No, but if you can prove that you need to be catching 75 trout instead of 45 for the sake of the health of the system, that SHOULD carry a lot of weight. SHOULD because sound ecological knowledge is hard to come by without the proper monetary support, and because not all will listen to sound ecological knowledge.

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[Salty]

Originally Posted by Smalls

No, but if you can prove that you need to be catching 75 trout instead of 45 for the sake of the health of the system, that SHOULD carry a lot of weight. SHOULD because sound ecological knowledge is hard to come by without the proper monetary support, and because not all will listen to sound ecological knowledge.

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But...he can't and neither can anyone else.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Salty

But...he can't and neither can anyone else.

So why did they change it???


Lets see....O because Some guys got butthurt over some big trout pics and need a reason to go to Baton Rouge to cry so the 15 limit using Texas water with bad estuary's info to compare to our great fishery

[SULPHITE]

if this needs to go public lol then you need to post on the "other" site....oh wait you can't......

[jchief]

Originally Posted by SULPHITE

if this needs to go public lol then you need to post on the "other" site....oh wait you can't......

This is a private site. Whether we like it or not. It is a buisness.

["W"]

Originally Posted by SULPHITE

if this needs to go public lol then you need to post on the "other" site....oh wait you can't......

U Mad..........Must be the one who is butthurt because your padna's made the Biggest EPIC FAIL In fishing history and it back fired in there face and every person who dont spend all week in a office knows this

[SULPHITE]

Originally Posted by "W"

U Mad..........Must be the one who is butthurt because your padna's made the Biggest EPIC FAIL In fishing history and it back fired in there face and every person who dont spend all week in a office knows this

no i'm not mad jeremy in fact i could care less...your barking up the wrong tree fella...regardless of what or who you think i know...

My point is this:

You have the agenda that you want to go "public" with, unfortunately you have burnt so many briges with "public" websites acting like a sophmoric idoit that you are contained to one place. If you would have been smart you could've built a reputation on respect and humility but you've dropped the ball on that one too. Yeah you may be a great guy in person but your internet personlity is a psychotic mess which probably will do you more harm than good in your agenda.

Your office comments do piss me off, i guess some of us weren't lucky enough to obtain an offshore job. You don't think office people can fish, how racisit is this...classic bigotry. But being the closed minded person you are i don't expect you to understand.

Regardless of the decsision that was made, keep personal grudges out of it and make it about the idea of reassessing the situation.

and i'm not "butt hurt" are you going to use this terminology when you address WLF and other memebers that will be critical in obtaining your goal???

["W"]

Originally Posted by SULPHITE

no i'm not mad jeremy in fact i could care less...your barking up the wrong tree fella...regardless of what or who you think i know...

My point is this:

You have the agenda that you want to go "public" with, unfortunately you have burnt so many briges with "public" websites acting like a sophmoric idoit that you are contained to one place. If you would have been smart you could've built a reputation on respect and humility but you've dropped the ball on that one too. Yeah you may be a great guy in person but your internet personlity is a psychotic mess which probably will do you more harm than good in your agenda.

Your office comments do piss me off, i guess some of us weren't lucky enough to obtain an offshore job. 21 days or whatever away from my family is not what attractive to most people. But being the closed minded person you are i don't expect you to understand.

Regardless of the decsision that was made, keep personal grudges out of it and make it about the idea of reassessing the situation.

and i'm not "butt hurt" are you going to use this terminology when you address WLF and other memebers that will be critical in obtaining your goal???

Really I dont care what anyone thinks .....Come around where it matters and i have spoke to ones who went to Baton Rouge

AND YES...This is coming from ones who know fishing...who live fishing ...who do it everyday


OFFICE FISHERMAN who work 9-5 sit in desk all day and fish one or two weekends that cried about this 15 trout limit so they could enforce the 2-0ver 25inch law (sneak in)

When our SPR #s are high enough to support 30 Trout per person why would you want to go to 15???

Im sorry some cant get out and fish as much as me or others but dont talk about a subject you know very little about until you put your time and money into it