Baltimore

[iron man]

they had a white cop kill a black man here in town by the base. Our CO, XO, CMC and the command duty officer has made the walmart where it happened off limits. 2 sailors were already assaulted for wearing their uniform to this walmart this morning.

Like the new planet of the apes movie in baltimore.

About to be here too. bases around here are probably going to go to Force protection 2 modified

[Dogface]

These riots fit right into Obamas agenda. Have more riots, declare a military state and he gets to stay in as president past his 2nd term limits. Dont put anything past him!!

[Goooh]

^^ doubt it ^^

If he wanted to do that he has many other ways besides some little riot and bicycle cops killing a repeat offender. C'mon man

[Dogface]

Originally Posted by Goooh

^^ doubt it ^^

If he wanted to do that he has many other ways besides some little riot and bicycle cops killing a repeat offender. C'mon man

I just hope he doesn't do it at all. I don't know about the other ways to do it. Also, I don't think you would call them little riots if it was your building or truck burning. Little riots can lead to big riots.

[AceArcher]

Well as a person who recently moved from the Maryland / DC / Baltimore area back here to Louisiana..... all i can say is... Wow... The level of stupidity in some of the commentary on here is incredible.

We all know that these are not race related issues, yet here we have a 10 page diatribe on how the media has continued to manipulate all of america into a further belief that this is ALL about race.

The problems at hand in Baltimore... (as well as others of problems of these types) are systemic to the current state of our country.

This snippet posted by John Angelos (son of Peter Angelos (owner of the baltimore orioles) really sums up why.... WHY these types of issues will continue to happen... more and more and more.

"Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans."

It's really simple, everyone is so busy playing that ol' shell game of trying to figure out who is to blame.... (black or white) That no one is looking at the real problem, of our politicians continued selling out of our people's future.

You know... you can piss on a hard working man's back all day... and if he is a man... he will find a way to succeed..... but when you take away any hope he has of ever succeeding... well then you do the math......

with all that said... After church, I am going to head out to the Bend tomorrow and if god's willing fill up a cooler with some white perch. And although i don't do to much drinking anymore, i might just have a cold one and toast all of ya'll knuckleheads on here in thought.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

Oh, that this precept would be applied to citizens also.

When government employees are afforded the full extent of due process, but ordinary citzens are not, there is a serious problem.

Receiving a taxpayer funded paycheck should change nothing about the process and standards of evidence required for criminal investigations, charges, and convictions.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

Freddie ran from the at very corner he had been arrested many times for selling narcotics.....unprovoked flight is the terminology used ........cops are taught to give chase to unprovoked flight .........now that we learn they new him.........it starts to make some sense

And how often do you suppose that government employees admit that they provoked a citizen to flee?

If these government employees knew Freddie, then Freddie also knew these government employees. I wonder if Freddie may have reasonably expected (based on past experience) the kinds of mistreatment he ended up receiving?

In this case, he was arrested and falsely imprisoned for a knife that was perfectly legal. How many of his past encounters involved government employees making false claims in order to take him into custody?

In this case, the police failed to follow procedures in how he was transported, and this failure may have cost Freddie his life. In how many past encounters did the police fail to follow proper procedures?

Do you really think this was the first time these government employees failed to follow procedures or exaggerated a legal item or action to take someone into custody on a false pretense? Then how can you claim Freddie was unprovoked in wanting to put some distance between himself and the abusive government employees?

Is "remain still and take it" the only proper response to government abuse of power? Certainly, no one in their right mind advocates the use of force against police, even abusive police. But having firmly decided that the use of force against police is wholly unwise and unreasonable, is gaining some distance and hoping to avoid being abused never a good response? Gaining distance is certainly better than the use of force.