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Old 10-27-2009, 07:30 PM
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NEW ORLEANS – Federal officials plan to ban sales of raw oysters harvested from the Gulf of Mexico unless the shellfish are treated to destroy potentially deadly bacteria — a requirement that opponents say could deprive diners of a delicacy cherished for generations.
The plan has also raised concern among oystermen that they could be pushed out of business.
The Gulf region supplies about two-thirds of U.S. oysters, and some people in the $500 million industry argue that the anti-bacterial procedures are too costly. They insist adequate measures are already being taken to battle germs, including increased refrigeration on oyster boats and warnings posted in restaurants.
About 15 people die each year in the United States from raw oysters infected with Vibrio vulnificus, which typically is found in warm coastal waters between April and October. Most of the deaths occur among people with weak immune systems caused by health problems like liver or kidney disease, cancer, diabetes, or AIDS.
"Seldom is the evidence on a food-safety problem and solution so unambiguous," Michael Taylor, a senior adviser at the Food and Drug Administration, told a shellfish conference in Manchester, N.H., earlier this month in announcing the policy change.
Some oyster sellers say the FDA rule smacks of government meddling. The sales ban would take effect in 2011 for oysters harvested in the Gulf during warm months.
"We have one man who's 97 years old, and he comes in here every week and gets his oyster fix, no matter what month it is," said Mark DeFelice, head chef at Pascal's Manale Restaurant in New Orleans. "There comes a time when we need to be responsible. Government doesn't need to be involved in this."
The anti-bacterial process treats oysters with a method similar to pasteurization, using mild heat, freezing temperatures, high pressure and low-dose gamma radiation.
But doing so "kills the taste, the texture," DeFelice said. "For our local connoisseurs, people who've grown up eating oysters all their lives, there's no comparison" between salty raw oysters and the treated kind.
A Gulf Coast oyster — or better still, a plate of a dozen oysters on the half-shell — is a delicacy savored for its salty, refreshing, slightly slimy taste. Some people add a drop of horseradish, lemon or hot sauce on top for extra zest.
Treated oysters are "not as bright, the texture seems different," said Donald Link, head chef and owner of the Herbsaint Bar and Restaurant in New Orleans.
"This is an area the government shouldn't meddle in," Link said. "What's next? They're going to tell us we can't eat our beef rare?"
Until the 1960s, raw oysters were rarely eaten in the summertime. (The old adage was never eat oysters in the months without an R in them.) But changes in harvest patterns and advances in refrigeration and post-harvest treatment have made the industry a year-round business. About three-fifths of the Gulf's oysters are harvested during the warm months.
The FDA is promoting a ban because high-risk groups are not heeding warnings about raw oysters, and millions of other people may not know they are vulnerable.
If federal officials require post-harvest treatment, they "will be ruining an industry that has been around for centuries," said Sal Sunseri, co-owner of P&J Oyster Co., a French Quarter oyster wholesaler.
"We've been doing this the same way since the 1920s," said his brother, Al Sunseri, as shuckers in rubber gloves worked their way through piles of raw oysters destined for oyster bars and restaurants. "We're located in the French Quarter. We're not going to get the permits we need to do post-harvest processing. We don't have the space for it."
In Plaquemines Parish, the Louisiana "boot" that juts into the Gulf south of New Orleans, 49-year-old oyster harvester Peter Vujnovich Jr. said the FDA was "totally out of its mind."
Croatian-Americans like him have been harvesting oysters for decades in the area's brackish bays and lakes. He said the ban added insult to injury after he spent tens of thousands of dollars upgrading his boats to meet recent refrigeration regulations.
The FDA contends treating oysters would not affect the taste and would save lives.
"Oysters that undergo post-harvest processing treatment will rarely pose a problem," Taylor said, "while those left untreated can have deadly consequences."
The FDA cited California as the best example. In 2003, California banned untreated Gulf Coast oysters and since then "the number of deaths dropped to zero." By comparison, between 1991 and 2001, 40 people died in California from the infection.
The rule would not affect oysters harvested outside the Gulf. Oysters are harvested up and down the West and East coasts, but the bacteria is not found in such high concentrations there.
Some in the industry, especially the handful of companies that have invested in high-tech treatment technology, praise the FDA plan.
John Tesvich of AmeriPure Processing Co. in Franklin, La., said the industry has "suffered from all the negative publicity" associated with Vibrio vulnificus. He said his oysters, which are treated in a warm bath, taste as good as any others. "We have thousands and thousands of satisfied customers."
But most of the oyster industry is worried.
Anita Grove, executive director of the Apalachicola Bay Chamber of Commerce in Florida, said a ban would be crushing. She said oyster harvesters, shuckers, truckers and dealers are "the backbone to our economy. It's always been that way."
Avery Bates, vice president of the Organized Seafood Association-Alabama, predicted two-thirds of Alabama's 50 "mom-and-pop oyster shops" would close, mostly because of the cost of treating oysters.
"We see more people die each year from peanuts, chicken, E. coli, beef," he said. "It's like singling out a certain section of the food industry."
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:36 PM
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Ill be getting oysters from state own water ways if the go threw with this already got a sack from p&j's not salty at all yet but taste good on the grill. Going to be getting three sacks for halloween, come on ova!
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:46 PM
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We saw about 30 oyster boats dredging by the ship channel at the steam engine Sunday.
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is there a place you can buy them by the sack around lake charles or big lake
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:11 PM
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Prolly at JT's Seafood on Lake St., but he is high on most everything.
If you go to Cameron, I can make a call and get you some.
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how much is a sack of these and how long would they last on ice i would love to have some for talladega
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the best way i think if you can is to get them stright from the boat most of the time you full up next to them going about 15 mphs and give them $20 and they give you a huge full sack. also oysters can stay good i would say almost for two weeks if they are on ice the whole time...
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Let me email my brother in law and I will holler back at you.
It will last all the way, if it is cold outside.
If it is hot and sunny, you will need to put them on ice.
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i'll put them in an ice chest thanks
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$20/sack. He said the big ones are real watery. He usually gets a couple quarts from a 5 gal. bucket full. But he is only getting 1 quart from a bucket.
He said the smaller ones are real good and they are not watery.
He said to wait another month or so for the big ones.
But he can get you a sack, just need a few days notice.
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:48 PM
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I know a bunch of oyster fishermen. If he don't have any, I have a few other friends who can get you some.
When are you needing them?
If you don't want to drive down there, you might call JT's Seafood. They will prolly up the price a little.
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thanks ray i will definetly get some when i get back then I'm leaving thursday so doubt he could get me some by then
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if you know anyone with some i could go tomorow
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Let me check on something.
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Brother in law said he can't go till Sat.
Everyone I know ain't going till after the bad weather coming Thurs. and Fri.
So Sat. would be the earliest to get them off the boats.
If you want to buy from the truck, you need to go down to the ferry, on the
Cameron side and go north. When you get to the first little bridge, on the left
a guy named Schoolboy is a buyer and can sell to you, but prolly $5 more than
off the boats.
Keep going all the way to the end of that ferry road, the last dock on the old river
is the other guy who buys and sells. He will have some frigerator trucks there.
His name is Marty. He will prolly bump the price up $5 dollars also.
Pogy season ends this Fri., there will be a lot more oyster fishermen out there
and the price might go down after the weekend, but that might be too late.
The other buyer, Billy Doxey, is still shrimping. He is waiting for better quality
before he starts buying.

I would call JT's. Might save you some gas money if he has some in Lake Charles.
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thanks for the help I'll probly head that way tom if i can get loose early enough
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Wish I coulda got the for you for $20, but no one is dredging till the weekend.
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Jt wants 150 a box don't look like I will be having oysters doubt I can make it cameron
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$150??? For a sack of oysters???
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$150??? For a sack of oysters???
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