Calcasieu Lake Destruction

["W"]

Everyone needs to let your voice be heard over this issue...
Our LA state biologist were on our side with this issue and said oystering needed to be closed down.

Politics over rode the WLF Biologist on this one and allowed this to happen


Mr. Yakupzack can be contacted at:
P. O. Box 1467
Lake Charles, LA 70602
Phone: 337-494-0694
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["W"]

Originally Posted by "W"

Everyone needs to let your voice be heard over this issue...
Our LA state biologist were on our side with this issue and said oystering needed to be closed down.

Politics over rode the WLF Biologist on this one and allowed this to happen


Mr. Yakupzack can be contacted at:
P. O. Box 1467
Lake Charles, LA 70602
Phone: 337-494-0694
Fax: 337-494-0697
E-mail: bartyak@graylawfirm.com

Only way to fight this is to let your voice on the issue be heard.
here is my 1st letter as of today

[DaPointIsDaBomb]

Originally Posted by CajunSteelsetter

Wholesale deforestation from harvesting virgin timber was once a thing too and was probably much more of an economic boon than oystering in its heyday. But management and processes have to change to allow for continued resources in the long run. Unfortunately it seems like many who make their living off of it don't want to adapt or find other means to ensure that.


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Same thing. We plant trees to harvest and now they plant oysters to harvest. Doesn't matter if tong or by dredge the same amount of oysters are going to be harvested. It's just advanced technology. Bet all you don't push pole your pirogues to go fishing. You have trolling motors and power poles.

[DaPointIsDaBomb]

Originally Posted by evis102

You clearly do not fish. The change in the lake since dredging has been allowed is so drastic that it is like fishing a totally different body of water. It is sad that a natural resource has to be utterly destroyed before anyone pays attention.

I don't fish for trout. They are wormy and don't put up any fight. They are good for kids to catch. I catch the real Steak of the Lake



And CCA don't want none of the oyster mafia. LDWF either.


I bet all y'all eat oysters. Where do you think they come from?


This faux outrage is why Hillary will be elected

["W"]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

Same thing. We plant trees to harvest and now they plant oysters to harvest. Doesn't matter if tong or by dredge the same amount of oysters are going to be harvested. It's just advanced technology. Bet all you don't push pole your pirogues to go fishing. You have trolling motors and power poles.

wrong so stop trolling.....


tong = less boats fishing due to the nature of the work

dredging destroys reefs unlike tongs you have to reseed

[redchaserron]

Everytime you go fishing take a dump in the water on the south end of the lake, maybe DHH will shut it down too.

[evis102]

Here is the actual study. Somehow the comerical interest were able to talk around to get the season open.

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/d...on_to_otf3.pdf

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by evis102

Here is the actual study. Somehow the comerical interest were able to talk around to get the season open.

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/d...on_to_otf3.pdf

I am anticipating an amended study will be released soon showing how the numbers were "adjusted" upward to justify the opening.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

Same thing. We plant trees to harvest and now they plant oysters to harvest. Doesn't matter if tong or by dredge the same amount of oysters are going to be harvested. It's just advanced technology. Bet all you don't push pole your pirogues to go fishing. You have trolling motors and power poles.

This statement ignores the plain fact that the ecosystem benefits of oyster reefs are not only related to the biomass of living oysters, but are also strongly related to the physical structure of oyster reefs providing valuable habitat for benthic invertebrates.

Studies have shown that tonging for oysters preserves the reef structure and the habitat benefits nearly as well as not harvesting the oysters at all. In contrast dredging destroys the reefs and results in most of the calcified material getting buried in the muck and mud resulting in a much less dynamic benthic ecosystem. Further, all the silt stirred up negatively impacts light penetration and photosynthesis.

It is much better to think about the ecosystem in terms of the food web. Everything about harvesting with tongs is better for the food web than dredging.

[DaPointIsDaBomb]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

This statement ignores the plain fact that the ecosystem benefits of oyster reefs are not only related to the biomass of living oysters, but are also strongly related to the physical structure of oyster reefs providing valuable habitat for benthic invertebrates.

Studies have shown that tonging for oysters preserves the reef structure and the habitat benefits nearly as well as not harvesting the oysters at all. In contrast dredging destroys the reefs and results in most of the calcified material getting buried in the muck and mud resulting in a much less dynamic benthic ecosystem. Further, all the silt stirred up negatively impacts light penetration and photosynthesis.

It is much better to think about the ecosystem in terms of the food web. Everything about harvesting with tongs is better for the food web than dredging.

there is nothing wrong with the ecosystem as it is. The fisheries is obviously not hurting. The number of guides on the lake has increased exponentially over last few years so clearly the fish aren't hurting. People want oysters, they will get oysters. LDWF will continue to seed them in and they will all be harvested. Just like trees, rice, and sugarcane. You plant them and harvest them all and then repeat

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

there is nothing wrong with the ecosystem as it is. The fisheries is obviously not hurting. The number of guides on the lake has increased exponentially over last few years so clearly the fish aren't hurting. People want oysters, they will get oysters. LDWF will continue to seed them in and they will all be harvested. Just like trees, rice, and sugarcane. You plant them and harvest them all and then repeat

Calcasieu got lucky that Omega Protein moved.

Keep raping the oysters, the system will suffer. It did suffer from 2010-2012, but came back in 2013 when the pogey plant closed.

As has been mentioned, there is a more sustainable approach (tongs) to harvesting oysters that is better for the ecosystem.

No one us saying don't harvest oysters. The point is to do it in a sustainable way with minimal impact on the ecosystem.

["W"]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

there is nothing wrong with the ecosystem as it is. The fisheries is obviously not hurting. The number of guides on the lake has increased exponentially over last few years so clearly the fish aren't hurting. People want oysters, they will get oysters. LDWF will continue to seed them in and they will all be harvested. Just like trees, rice, and sugarcane. You plant them and harvest them all and then repeat

So who's planting and reseeding oysters on big lake ?

[evis102]

He can't seem to to grasp to part of the study that shows excessive harvesting to seed ratio. That means that soon there will be none to harvest.

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by evis102

He can't seem to to grasp to part of the study that shows excessive harvesting to seed ratio. That means that soon there will be none to harvest.

And next, all of the lake will be open, good bye turners bay.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

I don't fish for trout. They are wormy and don't put up any fight. They are good for kids to catch. I catch the real Steak of the Lake



And CCA don't want none of the oyster mafia. LDWF either.


I bet all y'all eat oysters. Where do you think they come from?


This faux outrage is why Hillary will be elected

Cold water oysters are better than gulf oysters anyways. I like to eat oysters from the NE waters

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

Cold water oysters are better than gulf oysters anyways. I like to eat oysters from the NE waters

I agree. I am not a huge fan of oysters, but if I do eat them they're at vic and anthonys and are flown in from NE.

[jlincecum]

So who will they blame when the oysters are gone. Most of the ones that wlf seeds back into the lake can't survive if they don't have the needed reef surface to attach to.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by DaPointIsDaBomb

there is nothing wrong with the ecosystem as it is. The fisheries is obviously not hurting. The number of guides on the lake has increased exponentially over last few years so clearly the fish aren't hurting. People want oysters, they will get oysters. LDWF will continue to seed them in and they will all be harvested. Just like trees, rice, and sugarcane. You plant them and harvest them all and then repeat

Your breath must stink from that much bull**** coming out of your mouth.

You have no clue what you are talking about. So, just do everyone a favor, go brush your teeth, AND SHUT UP!!

The fact that you cite increases in guides as a reason for the ecoystem being fine is just asinine. How many of those guides limit out on every trip? How many are catching majority undersized trout, or 12" trout? How has the average catch of other guides been affected, if at all?

So if the ecosystem is fine, why did LDWF want to close the season? What, is there some giant conspiracy against the oystermen?

[fonikoddity]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Your breath must stink from that much bull**** coming out of your mouth.



You have no clue what you are talking about. So, just do everyone a favor, go brush your teeth, AND SHUT UP!!



The fact that you cite increases in guides as a reason for the ecoystem being fine is just asinine. How many of those guides limit out on every trip? How many are catching majority undersized trout, or 12" trout? How has the average catch of other guides been affected, if at all?



So if the ecosystem is fine, why did LDWF want to close the season? What, is there some giant conspiracy against the oystermen?

Are you being serious or just adding to the troll factor? I'm legitimately confused.


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[Smalls]

Not sure what there is to be confused about.