Concealed Weapon Permit

[CajunChristian]

Marty, EXACTLY.
I have been a very involved church member for 20 years now, I have heard every excuse on earth as to why someone does not attend church. Excuses abound, sound reasons...not so much. If someone does not want to attend a church, they will find an excuse, I know, I did the same thing for 30 years, didn't like the music, church folks are all hypocrites, all the church wants is my money, I've used them and heard them all. Then God and I had an unexpected talk. Only way to change something is from the inside. Stop making excuses and start making a difference.

To the op, keep us posted on how long it takes you to get your permit. I am up for renewal AGAIN in a very few months. Sorry about hijacking your thread. Don't know what piece you carry, but, alien gear has a heck of a deal right now, 2 holsters for $49

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[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by marty f

I can understand Cajuns point here. Id say 90%+ of CC holders are immensely under trained for the power they posses. In a church, theater or where ever trying to be a hero will get you killed. Hiding and eluding is surviving, as well is situational awareness. Call me paranoid, but I watch everyone like a hawk, I NEVER let anyone on my back side, and my weapon side is always away from people. Even at wally world in line at check out, I stand sideways, back against the isle.

I intentionally avoid places I can not carry. I have only been asked once about my CC in a public place. I was actually surprised, because my carry is rather very concealed, Another patron caught a glimps of my CC when we were being seated to eat. Funny thing about it was they waited to say something to the management until after they were finished eating and were leaving.

I have found that "GUN FREE ZONES" are indeed a sweet spot for most of the low life cowards, hard to dispute that. I avoid gun free zones, part of my daily staying alive protocol so to speak. There are bad people out there, and you have no clue who they are.

Perfectly stated.

[bjhooper82]

Guys, i got all the info and opinions i need, so thanks. Please don't stop the thread though. I fell like this is a good discussion without all the bs and name calling. Lets keep it going.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Guys, i got all the info and opinions i need, so thanks. Please don't stop the thread though. I fell like this is a good discussion without all the bs and name calling. Lets keep it going.

That's the great thing about this site, most seem to be friendly, mature folks. A refreshing change. I moderate on a few boat and motor sites, they get a bit frisky sometimes. I have a very good saying about that:

[Shawn Braquet]

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

Glock 23 when it's hot. 1911 or XD tactical when the weather is cool.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

I carry a full size S&W, M&P, 40. 15 rounds of FMJ hollow points in the mag and 1 in the chamber. When on Security detail, I carry a 2 mag holder with 1 mag loaded with FMJ Hollow Points and the other with FMJ solid ammo.
According to our church policy, we allow our security team to carry nothing but FMJ hollow points. We are considering frags only. When asked why I carry 46 rounds of ammo, my answer is usually, because 400 would be too heavy.
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[Bluechip]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

I pocket carry a 380 in a pocket holster....

[evidrine]

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand each point made when it comes to the whole church carry issue. The law is the law I guess. I can't help but feel like that particular train of thought closely resembles want the government is already trying to do to us. "It is ok for me to carry here but not you." Anyone who believes in the right to bare arms should welcome all legal permitted persons to carry in their church. Honestly, I would have a huge problem being asked to remove my firearm are leave by some random Joe blow. That is something I would have to hear directly from the pastor/priest/etc.

[Shawn Braquet]

I own two pistols chambered in 9mm now, I'd likely look into the another 9mm. The Beretta Nano seemed like a good fit but haven't put my hands on one yet. I guess I need to go to a shop and check a few out.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

I carry a full size S&W, M&P, 40. 15 rounds of FMJ hollow points in the mag and 1 in the chamber. When on Security detail, I carry a 2 mag holder with 1 mag loaded with FMJ Hollow Points and the other with FMJ solid ammo.
According to our church policy, we allow our security team to carry nothing but FMJ hollow points. We are considering frags only. When asked why I carry 46 rounds of ammo, my answer is usually, because 400 would be too heavy.
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Nobody ever lost because they had too much ammo.
I used to shoot a frag round in my 45 and it was mean. Unfortunately it has been discontinued.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by evidrine

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand each point made when it comes to the whole church carry issue. The law is the law I guess. I can't help but feel like that particular train of thought closely resembles want the government is already trying to do to us. "It is ok for me to carry here but not you." Anyone who believes in the right to bare arms should welcome all legal permitted persons to carry in their church. Honestly, I would have a huge problem being asked to remove my firearm are leave by some random Joe blow. That is something I would have to hear directly from the pastor/priest/etc.

You really have no clue the difficulties that could be caused by folks with that attitude. Sorry, but you won't hear it from our Pastor. He is not going to drop whatever he is doing to handle a security incident, not to mention that with that kind of attitude, you will not get near our Pastor. If you are asked by anyone on our team to leave, you will go. It's up to you if you want to make it easy or hard. If you decide to make it difficult, you will be escorted by a deputy and charged with "remaining after forbidden". Learn the law and your legal rights.
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[duckman1911]

CC I'm guessing you are a member of a rather large church.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

CC I'm guessing you are a member of a rather large church.

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
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[marty f]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Marty, EXACTLY.
Don't know what piece you carry, but, alien gear has a heck of a deal right now, 2 holsters for $49

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Gotta link??

Like I need another holster Im a freaking junky, need my smack

just like buying a new fishing pole yesterday like I "needed" that

[duckman1911]

[QUOTE=CajunChristian;767824]Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

[jchief]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

Shawn, I have a LC9 if you want to look at it. Alien Gear holster. Holster is a little hot during the summer.

[CajunChristian]

[quote=duckman1911;767826]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

It does get difficult to sift through that many faces. We also keep sex offender programs on our phones to cross reference.
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[marty f]

Originally Posted by jchief

Shawn, I have a LC9 if you want to look at it. .

This is my daily carry with crimson trace laser built in. love it

When you grab the stock the laser comes on automatic. I like this feature, no aiming. Honestly if you happen to be in a situation, there wont be much time to aim, point the red dot and shoot.

It happens faster then it took to read this sentence.

[Andy C]

[quote=duckman1911;767826]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

I can't stay out of this no more.
When I go to church it's15-20 people most all carry, and the preacher dose not make a dime, we a come to work days and bring whatever building supplies we need for the project and do it. Cc. I don't have a problem with your (mega church) or you, but as a man an christian o don't believe in them tactics!!! I know the law is the law, and respect that! Just have a problem with church paying for bids and hireing contractors for new projects, and paying for security!!! The members of the church should do all that without question, or having to get bids, or be apart of yalls elite security group) church is about God and knowing your nabers!!! Not money or who can carry or not carry!! You should know and been to every one of your members house and know there family,bar-b-que with them!!!

Let's just say a situation happened and you had to use (force) but but come to find out it was just a new person, that was not carring just needed to speak to the/a preacher for a min, and you and your team rush and throw him or her out and they kill themselves in the parking lot because you or your team found them a threat! How would you feel?? I would jump in front of a bullet/knife for any member of my family or and member of the church I go to when I have time to go, but know everyone one of them by name!!! Guess what I am trying to say is learn what gods about and know your nabers and fellow brothers and sisters. Not in a ( we don't get 1000-3500 thro the door we out of bis)
Just my 2 cents!!