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Duck Butter 07-16-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KDM (Post 286862)
This irks me as well and I always pickup more than my own. How us Salty Cajuns see if we can get a group together to volunteer to help clean it up. Might get some great publicity for the group and show the rest of the public that while we harvest the resource we do give back in many ways other than the money we spend. Not sure what we would need to clean the place but a trash pump and some hoses to wash it down would be my thought


Excellent Idea!

Duck Butter 07-16-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat Babaz (Post 287200)
I'm not trying to blame all of the worlds ills on the "Communist in Chief" by any means, but has anybody else noticed that in the last 2 or 3 years acess to Federal lands seems to be less acessable. Not trying to hatch a consipiarcy theory, but I know these trash problems have been going on for many years now and I can't remember them ever shutting everyone out for the reasons of "public health hazard". I think Salazar may be been instructed to limit hunting and fishing opportunities on Federal lands as much as possible in an effort to pander to the liberal base(animal rights people). Obama told the libs at a rally that his justice department was "doing things under the radar to effect gun control" maybe this is also happening with the hunting and fishing too?? There are too many other ways to control this problem without running everyone off of federal lands. Maybe this new approach to an old problem is just a concidence, but I am suspicous nontheless.


Rockefeller Refuge is a state refuge. It is different than Lacassine and Sabine that are federal and its different than other state owned Wildlife Management Areas. Rockefeller is supported by an endowment from the Rockefeller trustees basically from oil and gas royalties (which is why they have a bunch of really good equipment). The whole point of Rockefeller was for a wintering ground for waterfowl and for public fishing opportunity. This is what gets me, its for the public to enjoy, so... Go in plain clothes write a few tickets have some volunteers clean up the mess, and be done with it.

Top Dawg 07-16-2011 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 287362)
Rockefeller Refuge is a state refuge. It is different than Lacassine and Sabine that are federal and its different than other state owned Wildlife Management Areas. Rockefeller is supported by an endowment from the Rockefeller trustees basically from oil and gas royalties (which is why they have a bunch of really good equipment). The whole point of Rockefeller was for a wintering ground for waterfowl and for public fishing opportunity. This is what gets me, its for the public to enjoy, so... Go in plain clothes write a few tickets have some volunteers clean up the mess, and be done with
it.

I agree. U can only put so much blame on the dummies trashing it. You gotta put most of them blame on our tax funded agents sittin on their dead azz drawing a check and not takin care of business. It's a lot easier for them to just shut it down and draw a check than actually gettin out in the heat and doin their job. Put a 3 year ban on anyone littering. Second offense lifetime ban and jail time. Simple. More and more in all these refuges you see it. They threaten to shut em down for differen reasons and ain't wrote the first ticket. Ok I'm done!

1fastmerc 07-16-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 287362)
Rockefeller Refuge is a state refuge. It is different than Lacassine and Sabine that are federal and its different than other state owned Wildlife Management Areas. Rockefeller is supported by an endowment from the Rockefeller trustees basically from oil and gas royalties (which is why they have a bunch of really good equipment). The whole point of Rockefeller was for a wintering ground for waterfowl and for public fishing opportunity. This is what gets me, its for the public to enjoy, so... Go in plain clothes write a few tickets have some volunteers clean up the mess, and be done with it.

Agreed but the volunteers should be in orange jumpsuits.

Duck Butter 07-16-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 1fastmerc (Post 287366)
Agreed but the volunteers should be in orange jumpsuits.

I agree! Talk about some rough community service in that stinky environment:grinpimp:

At least they did not shut down the other wiers and just the one. The only thing I can see why they would shut it down and not let anyone back their is that there may be some sort of health hazard with all the rotting fish. Maybe in a few weeks the dead fish disappear and they reopen it. Not taking up for the GWs but maybe? there is some other reason and they are covering their azzes. Imagine if someone contracted a disease, the refuge may be shut down to the public all together. I do like the idea of plain clothes GWs out there, BUT he would be too busy with DUIs!

Gerald 07-17-2011 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Top Dawg (Post 287365)
I agree. U can only put so much blame on the dummies trashing it. You gotta put most of them blame on our tax funded agents sittin on their dead azz drawing a check and not takin care of business. It's a lot easier for them to just shut it down and draw a check than actually gettin out in the heat and doin their job. Put a 3 year ban on anyone littering. Second offense lifetime ban and jail time. Simple. More and more in all these refuges you see it. They threaten to shut em down for differen reasons and ain't wrote the first ticket. Ok I'm done!

I don't think this statement is called for.....IMHO. The "Dummies" are 100% to blame for the mess while there. The agents "JOB" is not watch people to see if they are breaking the rules while cast netting.

I have not gone to Rockefeller very often [it is ~75 miles from my house], but on several trips....I have seen the game warden out patrolling the waters.

I have read reports of "plain clothes" GW out at the weirs giving tickets.

weedeater 07-17-2011 01:17 AM

if they are shutting down areas like this due to trash and such when will they start shutting down our roads? It is a shame that trashy people are ruining the things we enjoy and places we enjoy taking our families. If the GW's and cops want to cry for over time and the state wants to cut their pay then let them get a group of inmates or some of these low life welfare recipients out there and put them to work since they already rob our tax dollars.

Top Dawg 07-17-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerald (Post 287679)
I don't think this statement is called for.....IMHO. The "Dummies" are 100% to blame for the mess while there. The agents "JOB" is not watch people to see if they are breaking the rules while cast netting.

I have not gone to Rockefeller very often [it is ~75 miles from my house], but on several trips....I have seen the game warden out patrolling the waters.

I have read reports of "plain clothes" GW out at the weirs giving tickets.

Wrong. IMO it is the agents job to make sure they're not littering. In the pamphlet there's a rule that say something along the lines of must throw back all bycatch. If they're not doing it enforce the rule. Don't shut don't the refuge for your convenience.

Bluechip 07-17-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Dawg (Post 287715)
Wrong. IMO it is the agents job to make sure they're not littering. In the pamphlet there's a rule that say something along the lines of must throw back all bycatch. If they're not doing it enforce the rule. Don't shut don't the refuge for your convenience.

I agree....enforce the rule!!!

kenmore_mo 07-18-2011 08:07 AM

I think it is 100% the trashers fault. You can't blame any one else for the mess. I go there often and I can tell you, there are crab strings and trash all over the place. The ones that are leaving this mess should be banned for life from going. I for one will be keeping my eyes open for trashers. I went to rollover a few months ago and saw a dead pelican wrapped in trashers crab string. This crap needs to stop. They are not doing the crabs and birds a favor by leaving there crap there, if you brought it there, bring back home with you.

RAKEDLAKE 07-18-2011 08:19 AM

I agree fully with picking up the trash. The problem is you will have to take it for a ride with you cause there are no trash bins to place the refuse.

cabwiz2 07-18-2011 08:45 AM

They have had several "sting" operations in the past. over 100 vialations were written in one weekend. It slowed people down for maybe 2 weeks then the crap starting building again. I don't know the answer to the problem but just sitting out and writting a littering ticket isn't it. Maybee some comunity service but that probably wont work either because people forget easily. The best thing to do in the meantime is kick in the by-catch around you when you leave and grab the trash there to. I know it sucks but if we dont there wont be any places left to enjoy.

elebouef 07-18-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Babaz (Post 287200)
I'm not trying to blame all of the worlds ills on the "Communist in Chief" by any means, but has anybody else noticed that in the last 2 or 3 years acess to Federal lands seems to be less acessable. Not trying to hatch a consipiarcy theory, but I know these trash problems have been going on for many years now and I can't remember them ever shutting everyone out for the reasons of "public health hazard". I think Salazar may be been instructed to limit hunting and fishing opportunities on Federal lands as much as possible in an effort to pander to the liberal base(animal rights people). Obama told the libs at a rally that his justice department was "doing things under the radar to effect gun control" maybe this is also happening with the hunting and fishing too?? There are too many other ways to control this problem without running everyone off of federal lands. Maybe this new approach to an old problem is just a concidence, but I am suspicous nontheless.

Your way of thinking might not be all the time right.
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A U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service proposal to expand hunting opportunities would allow waterfowl hunting on Bayou Sauvage National Wildlife Refuge, the U.S. Sportmen’s Alliance announced yesterday (July 13).

The move is part of a plan to provide additional hunting opportunities on 10 refuges across the country.

“The proposed expanded hunting opportunities on these Refuges are a testament to the long-term work of the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance and the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance Foundation, and shows how both organizations fill a vital need for sportsmen,” said Bud Pidgeon, USSA and USSAF’s President and CEO.


In 1997, the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance pushed for changes in laws ensuring that hunting and fishing were priority public uses on compatible refuge lands. The National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act was signed into law, and has been essential in opening new Refuge lands to sportsmen.
More than 300 National Wildlife Refuges allow hunting.

Also on the list for new hunting opportunities are:
Coldwater River National Wildlife Refuge (MS) – would allow migratory bird hunting of ducks and geese; upland game hunting of squirrel, rabbit, and raccoon; and big game hunting of deer and hogs
• Arapaho National Wildlife Refuge (CO) – would allow elk hunting
Crane Meadows National Wildlife Refuge (MN) – would allow deer and turkey hunting
Minnesota Valley National Wildlife Refuge (MN) – would open new areas to migratory bird, upland game, and big game hunting
Northern Tallgrass Prairie National Wildlife Refuge (MN/IA) – would open new areas to migratory bird, upland game, and big game hunting and allow additional species of migratory birds and upland game to be hunted
Sherburne National Wildlife Refuge (MN) – would allow turkey and deer hunting and would open new areas to migratory bird hunting
Currituck National Wildlife Refuge (NC) – would allow deer and hog hunting
Trinity River National Wildlife Refuge (TX) – would open new areas to deer, feral hogs, rabbit, and squirrel hunting
Ouray National Wildlife Refuge (UT) – would allow turkey and elk hunting

Recently, the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance Foundation, along with the U.S Fish and Wildlife Service and other defendants, won an important court victory protecting hunting on Refuge lands. The case, filed by anti-hunting groups, sought to stop hunting on a number of Refuge

Duck Butter 07-18-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elebouef (Post 288702)
Your way of thinking might not be all the time right.
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Recently, the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance Foundation, along with the U.S Fish and Wildlife Service and other defendants, won an important court victory protecting hunting on Refuge lands. The case, filed by anti-hunting groups, sought to stop hunting on a number of Refuge

PETA had a big lawsuit on refuges and the legal costs and man hours were ridiculous fighting this lawsuit. Even refuges like Tensas were part of this, kinda hits home. We think these wackos are only out west, but it affects us too. This had nothing to do with Obama (good or bad), he missed court that day for golf:grinpimp:

Pat Babaz 07-18-2011 10:36 PM

Animal rights people like PETA have made it thier life's mission to shut down hunting and fishing. Liberal lawmakers pander to and agree with people like PETA. Liberal lawmakers are in charge of running our country right now, that is why I am sucpicious when things like this happen.


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