Thanks!

Yeah, they upgraded quite a few things about 2 years ago. That doesn't surprise me. :) So did NMFS and NOAA I believe...

It'd be interesting to get some actual data, pre and post, to see if the new limits had adversely affected the fishery. The sampling data is somewhere, just gotta find it. For all the passionate, and clearly feisty, people so emotionally invested in this issue... Facts are fun. Go find them!

If they reduced the limits on my lil piece of water, I'd be the first one beating down doors demanding answers to the simple questions.

BUT, what other factors besides limits come into play?????

How about number of fishermen, weirs, rain, wind, sunlight, etc etc etc

I don't beleive it is as simple as any of us would like it to be.

Yes, but if the only variable that has changed over multiple years long surveys is the limit (that's a big one, it's basically predatory pressure) you can at least draw basic conclusions. Would it hold up to peer review, probably not. But its not about being published, its about drawing common sense conclusions.

Things like the weather vary weekend to weekend. Month to month. Survey data isn't about who caught what, which weekend. It's about the state of the fishery over the long term.

One guide service , few lawyers ,few guys with money ,CCA power and u get what u want

Agreed!!!

seems like its always Bush's fault:cool::rotfl:

Calling it a Trophy Lake hurts our lake more than anything else.
When I say I fish on Big Lake, the folks on the East side of the state say something like, Oh yeah, ya'll got all them big Trout.
That attracts more fishermen.
The internet didn't help either.
I know HRG posts pictures of fish they didn't catch, and pictures of fish caught other years, and makes it look like they caught them this week.

25 trout limit in vb and still see and hear bigger fish caught in big lake is the reason because of location of big lake vs location of vb not trying to stir the pot i just know that some of you guys are a lot more informed about trout than i am

Say it aint so...they pushed the 15 hard because half there guys can't catch 100 trout a day...

there are 7-9lb fish caught in VB just not as many because it doesnt stay as salty as big lake all year. Also people dont talk about em over there as much

Thanks meaux so where do they go when the salinity is down offshore??

Big Lake:eek::rotfl:

Right now you would have a heavier 15 trout vs 15trout from VB
VB has better size adv than big lake right now....lakes over loaded with dink trout....never ever remember catching so many small trout

So out of this I have gathered that:

1. Big trout don't spawn after a certain age
2. Big trout do spawn after a certain age but not as many x/year as small
trout
3. Big trout lay more eggs/yr than small trout but spawn less
4. The biggest 'producers' are the 12"-16" trout, even though they lay 1/10th the amount of eggs the 'big' trout do
5. Trout can live up to 18 years
6. Big Lake has better quality trout fishing than VB
7. Big Lake does NOT have better quality THIS year!
8. Its Bush's fault
:shaking:

Anything else?:rotfl:

so if the limit were increased to 25 this would help control the amount of dink trout in bl which in turn would take out a larger percent of the population that spawns more times per year but would also take out a percentage of fish fighting for food so now bigger trout would be caught. Sounds kinda logical i think.

If this thought is wrong pleas correct me

Big lake has too my fish ..bottom line...

gonna have to put a hurtin on the population friday then... bullhorn check.... paintball gun check... 1/8 oz lead head check.... doing figure 8's all day long!!

Its sorta right, if you want big fish (deer, elk, squatches), you need to take out a bunch of small fish (deer, elk, squatches). You can't take out so many that there are none to get big though.

The 'take' from recreational fishermen is so small compared to natural mortality (disease, starvation, sharks, dolphin, pelicans) that it really does not have much of an effect on fish like trout. They mature rapidly and produce tons of eggs and do not invest any time for parenting, so they are basically like cockroaches in a sense. On the other hand, long-lived species like a red snapper (cough cough) reach sexual maturity later in life so they are much more vulnerable to overfishing.

A 25 year old red snapper ain't real old, but a 10 year old trout is ancient. Another cool fact is that mahi mahi can reach 25 lbs in ONE year! 50 in two! Thats an eating machine and why they are very successful, much like a trout

Well said Mr. Butter! Don't you love the internet! I'd agree with all those except Bush's fault. Personally, I like to blame it all on Obama as he's ruining the country faster than W can type the word pilgrim. But that's another discussion for another day......




And since when did YOU of all people start worrying about catching size?
:rotfl:

Trout, esp big trout, are carniverous (means they will each other W ;)), so your theory doesn't fly that small trout are pushing the big trout out of the lake. If there are that many small fish, then that is plenty of food for big ones.

Furthermore, if the lake is over loaded with dink trout, then that must indicate a massive healthy spawn last spring, prob due to the super high salinity we had all year last year. Sounds to me that the lake is in good shape.

If it makes anyone feel any better I still live by the 25 limit. Whenever I can catch that many.

Winner winner! Sounds like the fishery is in great shape. Same thing with the Atch Basin, tons of small sacaulait being caught means a great spawn, need to thin the herd a little and next few years will be awesome:)

So Chas why did they lower the limit then???? And put a stupid slot

Com on Mr Drost...You went to Baton Rouge to push the 15trout limit and you should have us some hard evidence or scientific information that would back such a change on our lake??

Can you give us the biologist who suggested the limit change?? And what his thoughts were to why we should have a limit change


We would love to here this:confused:

troll is always a troll. What exactly does the 15 fish limit have to do with the OP's post about spawn?

nothing but im sure spawining was taken into consideration when the limit was changed

It's not a designated Trophy Lake. Consider yourself lucky.

Troll or not, its a legit question. I have taken wildlife management classes and its true...gotta wean out the small to have some get big.

sammich

Prolly da same dudes that lowered da snapper limit.

If I make a post just for this question will u answer it??

Or you can just say none of you had one piece of evidence to lower the limit

Lol


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