The bill says $7.50 for the purpose of research. I am all for that, look at our snapper issue. There is very much a lack of data out there (on both the feds and state). Its very expensive to conduct research offshore (look at how much fuel costs have gone up in recent years). With extra money, LDWF can conduct research and have sufficient data that they can use in defense of setting regulations for us and get the feds out of it. When you go to a meeting with the feds to try and prove a point that red snapper or whatever seasons are not justified, it really helps to have a ton of data to drive home your point.

Where that money actually goes to is another story altogether. I don't trust politicians at all especially Louisiana ones:rotfl: Just saying I support extra money to go towards research. If $7.50 keeps you from fishing saltwater, then just think before you buy that one 6 pack of beer or 2 cans of skoal, 5 packs of M&Ms, one pack of Vudu Skrimps, etc. and you can afford it.

Biggun
 

Biggun, as I said, you like to run your mouth on a keyboard but keep in shut in public when I am around. As to federal law, when you use the internet to get a group of people to conspire to physically harm someone, then you have broken federal and state law. You may not be as smart as you think you are.

It is typical CCA mentality that when you cannot argue the facts attack someone personally. Well your mouth and fingers do not scare me.

I dislike CCA of Lousiiana because it is a self serving group of liars. Nothing more, nothing less. I am a heavy supporter of CCAUSA, because it is real. You want to know how their funds are spent, ask them, they will tell you, verbally and in writing. Go ask CCA of Louisiana that question, and see if you get an answer.

Here are facts, not my opinion:

(1) CCA fabricated the data it had on bowfishing, then lied in a legislative hearing, under oath, about the data;

(2) CCA lied about the data it had on tripletail;

(3) CCA, despite its mission statement, refuses to take a stand on public vs. private waterways;

(4) Despite constant pleading from Ted Venker (V.P. CCA USA), and Vitter's office, CCA of Louisiana failed to appear at a United States Enviromental and Public Works committee hearing on SB 1079 (Rigs to Reef); thus the bill died in committee;

(5) Just recently (March 26, 2014) CCA of Louisiana failed to appear, despite multiple request to do so, at a Washignton D.C. administrative hearing on catch shares. Commercial fishermen, in a suit by Gary Jarvis, were cleary successful regarding red snapper. That decision, which will greatly restrict the recreational fishermen, was just confirmed by a D.C. federal court on Monday;

(6) CCA of Louisiana is owned by a group of individuals from Texas(Louisiana Sec. of State records), who owned interest in companies that remove oil rigs from the Gulf of Mexico at a great profit (La. Mineral Board lease argeements and Texas Sec. of State records;

(7) CCA lied to its membership about its relationship with the Louisiana Landowners Assocaition until your Grand PuPyia was put under oath and had to admit it works with LSA on numerous projects. (Maybe that explains fact #3).

I was at every one of the above mentioned hearings, and have copies of all transcripts, which are public record. I also heard numerous lawmakers in Washington and Louisiana refer to your little group as the Capitol Clowns Association, references which still remain on public record at the Library of Congress.

You see, bigmouth, we spent a considerable about of money to investigate CCA of Louisiana before we make allegations. What I stated above are facts, not opinions. Your very latest post states a whole lot about CCA of Louisiana. You and others admit you protested bowfishing ban, yet your "board" went against its very own membership in pushing that issue. Oh, I sorry, the membership did not get a vote, the board made the decision in executive session re: the bowfishing ban.

Again your threats have fallen on deaf ears. So go to your little revivals, get lied to, then appear on CCA's behalf at public functions.

For those who cannot t recognize the "board" members, here is a tip: They are the grown men, who are wearing heavily starched purple Cabelas' fishing shirts, with an embroided gold "CCA" on the front. These grown men, will be wearing goofy looking fishing shorts, with a belt that has either colored fish on it or bearing a multiple silver stamped "LSU". These guys will also have some type of strange fishing shoes on.

As a whole, these clowns will look like illegitmate queer offspring from an illicit affair involving Mike the Tiger and Wilma Flintstone.

And if that is not enough info, these clowns will be the arrogant, want-to-be fishermen, who think they fish better than anyone else because of the before mentioned costume.

Caveat: This in by no means bash of my beloved Tigers, I have two degress from LSU. It is just an statement of fact about CCA.

I stopped supporting Cca ( which I donated a fair share amount every year) when they spent 600,000 on a reef to sunshine pump a former members name with bouys but yet done ZERO to stop oyster fisherman raping our Lake!!!!!!!

Reefs do noting with out resources


That's when my $$$ stopped



When CCA starts showing up for some good and not for a front page look at us story about a 600,000 plus reef which is useless if you can't stop erosion or rapping

CCA and its volunteer members Are Leading the fight to free our state from the Red Snapper debacle.. The Gulf Council are having public meetings concerning the limits and seasons..

I've attended the 2 Gulf Council public meetings, that I was home for... During the Public comment meeting held in New Orleans concerning Amendment 28 alternative 5. Which states that If More Than 9.2 million pds of Snaps are allowed? Rec.'s would get 75 % of that overage allotment; Commercial 's25%..

They had way more recreational fisherman there in N. O. than commercial..

I don't think there were any REC.s there that were NOT CCA supporter or members.

CCA Louisiana is LEADING THE FIGHT TO Get Snap assessments data updated to new science data collecting..

As well as getting longer seasons an more reasonable limits..

If anyone feels like they want to affect chance?? Get INVOLVED... I didn't see one Other Member of SC at that Public Meeting on Red Snaps ....

Several months ago CCA sponsored a public meeting (public comment) which as held in Lafayette.. Many local SC members attended that meeting..

If we all banded together, We can EFFECT Chance..

Thks

Biggun

Maybe change too.

The red snapper issue is probably my area of greatest agreement with CCA. However, not that the issue seems bound up in the courts, it's going to be driven by what expert witnesses say on the stand rather than by what citizens say at meetings. Citizen pressure is best applied to Congress to get laws changed and to get the new boundary approved. The Gulf council is deaf, deaf, deaf to both citizens and science. Their scientists are deaf, deaf, deaf.

Results and data from as yet unperformed and not yet funded studies is unlikely to be complete and published in time to impact the outcomes of ongoing red snapper court battles. Fortunately, there is plenty of data in the GMFMC data bases, in the SEAMAP data, in published theses, in the LDWF data, and in the data compiled by Alabama based scientists (Szedlmayer, Shipp, etc.) already in hand to make these main points:

1. The unit stock hypothesis is wrong. This was the original justification for federalizing red snapper management in the Gulf of Mexico.

2. Current red snapper populations in the northern and western Gulf are abundant and will support much higher harvest levels.

3. The models used by GMFMC result from cherry picking the data most favorable to Crabtree and Cowan's viewpoints and excluding the data supporting points 1 and 2 above.

4. Mathematical models better designed to produce probabilistic projections accurately reflecting the uncertainties in the underlying data have been ignored in favor of models producing overly confident projections better suited to manipulating regulations.

Discrediting Cowan, Crabtree, and their co-conspirators handling of the data would be much more productive than the expensive and time consuming process of designing new experiments and collecting additional data.

CCA like any other organization can be corrupted by politics and voices that don't speak for the majority.

if you like the positions they stand for then join, be a member, be a volunteer.

but if you don't like the positions they stand for, then,use your voice to openly oppose their positions on things and clearly and publicly voice your reasons for doing so.

when they see large numbers of people take notice and it shows up in the form of the revenue streams start drying up, they will have to rethink their positions and return to those issues the majority of their supporters care about and be on their side of the arguments and not trying to restrict our fishing rights for no science based reason other then just because it feels like its a good idea to do so. if revenue streams aren't affected then they know they are on the right path and their supporters like the positions they are taking on things.

I don't want to hurt CCA and I think they mean well, but ...

IMO they have become more about political activism and feel good legislations then science based conservation now. I think the way to return them to what we think is the right path is to work from within and from the outside to let them know they no longer speak for the majority of their supporters when they take the positions they do on certain things.

IMO instead of working to protect fishermans rights they have become environmentalists who often look to restrict those rights through increased fees and regulations.

maybe they haven't changed at all and they never were on our side but rather we had a few interests that happen to be the same so we mistakenly "thought" they think like we do? who knows for sure but like them or don't like them, support them or don't support them, its as simple as that.

one thing is true, they stand for the positions they take and the positions they take speaks volumes as to their goals and agendas so opinions don't really matter, just look at what they do and are trying to do.

Screw snapper, how many days a year can one get out and fish snapper??? You can fish speckle trout, reds and flounder just about 300 days a year

Fight to save that.... talked to an offshore charter boat guide who said he might have 60 days give or take of days with good weather to make successful trips with customer

The tripletail issue was the last straw for me I too have washed my hands with CCA

Im done with CCA too....they just emailed me a couple weeks ago to tell me how to vote on proposed changes to TPWD trout and flounder limits. I followed the link, and voted the opposite way of everything they were pushing. I was in the extreme minority however....next year, from just south of galveston to brownsville, the daily bag limit on trout is 5. and they have extended the stupid azz 2 flounder limit in november into december a couple weeks. cca can forget about any money they used to get from me

The law makers are about to "manage" themselves right out of fishermen. Making the limits so small is gonna keep a lot of people off the water. They gonna end up with a bay full off fish that nobody is interested in catching. And if y'all think Galveston and Sabine ain't next, just wait and see. Does this sound like deceased snapper regs to anybody? Lower the limit to where most people aren't interested in spending the time or money to catch em, then boom extreme overpopulation, causing deceased forage for other species. Recreational harvest is a tool that can help keep things in balance.

I'll make a guess and say the matty guides will lose customers to the galveston and Sabine guides. It's common sense, I can book a fishing trip and go catch 5 trout, or pay approx. The same price to go catch 10. Easy call for most people.

A perfect example of what's gonna happen with these changes is what happens during the fall flounder run in the Sabine ship channel. Go check out how many tx plates you see in the la causeway ramp parking lot. There is even a Sabine guide whose motto is "La Limits because Tx limits suk"....... now some Tx limits suck worse than others in the eyes of somebody who hires a guide once or twice a year. The flounder laying on the east bank of that channel are the same fish laying on the west bank. But the limit is 500% different? And might I add that most off the fish on either side of that channel come from the la estuaries, and get harvested all year long at a maximum of 10/angler/day. Don't know how many of y'all were actual out there last fall, but I was out there several days every week, and there was certainly no shortage of fish.....on either bank

cca sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want people to support CCA you have to make people believe in the CCA, CCA has to show strong ties to your area for equal benefits ( not sunshine pumpers)

People stop believing and that's why the Star is falling off like Obama rating. Star once gave 3 boats out on each zone
Now down to 1 18ft stripped boat...

CCA hits a HR on our Lake... I'm 100% on board and back in, but Making front page news for a reef is not an big deal to anyone and let's add bouys also..sunshine pump it

Yep. Well said.

I gave up on CCA (Cancer Causing Agent) 8 yrs ago cause I could see where it was headed when I heard politicians talking about it

This is a good point. We might be past the point of no return on red snapper. It may well be a better strategy to focus on specks, redfish, flounder, and tripletail. I bet if they had their way, CCA would push for LA regulations much closer to TX and FL in many species. The federalization of snapper accomplished that quickly and perhaps irrevokably. Better to fight for the species that remain. At some point, snapper will become a huge nuisance and the herd will need thinning.

Don't U think we could be better served in us banding together as to get the LAWMAKERS that are NOT pro fisherman out of office..

OH. I'm sorry.. I'm sure there ARE Democrats on this site that DID NOT vote for Obama????

The problem is YOUR CCA are in cahoots wit the lawmakers!

dang mr crab, that's like 6 posts within 2 minutes, I dont think there is any shortage on page space but you can use the edit button to add to your first post ya know ;)

they already are by having stories posted through their network of friends and supporters about how speck stocks are in trouble because catches of "trophy" sized trout are on the decline so we should all "voluntarily" ask for our regulation limits to be reduced to 15 or even down to 10 and the size limits increased with the reason being that's all one person needs to feed his family that day. there was something like 5 or 6 articles about how "LA speck populations are in trouble" and "drastic reductions needed in LA speck limits" last year all using fewer reported landings of large fish as "all the proof they need"

they got far too many weekend warriors to go along and agree with them that limits must be reduced by saying it will mean everyone can then be able to catch 6 lb trout, what a freakin crock yet if you tell lies often enough and sound serious enough people will believe anything you print

The Rate the CCA is falling off due to lack of production there will be one boat for over all STAR winner by 2020

Your source of info is off once again. Star had a great year last year.

Compared to what??

Dub.

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Again!!!!!!!!!!!

Biggun adn W
 

Biggun, you are lying again. As to red snapper, where was CCA last week when Gary Jarvis took the Louisiana Recreational fisherman to the cleaners. Where was CCA in late March when the commercial fishermen took CCA to the cleaners regarding red snapper quotos. Does anything come out of your mouth that is true, or do you just like to make threats over the internet and not in person.

Please get your facts straight. It is best to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

W....I can assure you than there will be less than 1 boat fishing the STAR by 2016. That is a promise!

CajunMade is owning this thread. If what he is saying is true, the screw CCA. Where is a CCA supporter (Biggun) that is willing to put up some facts that are citable?

Boom. Sounds like CajunMade is more in the "know" and follows these issues more closely than anyone else.

how can there be less than one boat fishing the star in 2 years?

I was at that Meeting in Kenner.. As were MANY CCA MEMBERS.. Commericals DIDN"T Take the Rec.'s to the CLEANERS in the Snap Meeting in Kenner I can Assure U...

Where WERE U.. Mr. CajunMADE???

Alternative 5 of Amendment 28 state that If the Gulf Council allows for than 9.2 millions pds. of Snaps the REC.'s would be given 75% of that amount over 9.2..

Comm.'s would be given 25% more of their 51 % share they NOW enjoy..

The way the RS stock assessment is done is based on data 30 yrs old..

They only count NATURAL BOTTOMS ANF STRUCTURE.. Not ONE RS is counted that lives on every offshore platform in the GoM..

If they used a more modern stock assessments criteria.. Our own LWF has data supporting larger creel and season on snaps..

ONE of the other problems I have is the Taking out of Offshore platforms and Killing all types of marine life when Dynamite is used to blow the legs.. It kills everything.. not just Snaps..

That's is a waste of the resource.

I'm a 3rd party safety consultant who works for one of the largest oil and gas Company's in the GoM...

Does that make me responsible for the BP disaster?? Or the Oil company that are taking out rigs. No that Is your current President directive..

Mr. CajunMade..

If U know so much about CCA LA. Please tell us Kool-Aid drinkers, what Ur organization CCA-USA stands for and UR Mission Statement..

SO I do my due diligents, my eyes opened, and can be educated in your awesome organization!!!!!!

have to agree this thread is going to get to 20 pages :rolleyes:

Sounds like cajunmade has done his homework and spits facts. Get em Cajun made.

Lets see how good CCA is in La? Cancel the star tourney for 1 year. Only thing that keeps them going is the $40 from star entrys and a few big land owners.

Sounds like the most conservation minded move is to boycott the Star tournament.

Biggun
 

WOW, BigMouth, you were at a Kenner meeting with a group of like- minded koolaid drinkers, and at the same time I was in Washington D.C. with numerous recreational fishing groups trying to stop commercial fishermen from cleaning our clocks on catch shares. A meeting your little clown group was asked to attend and failed to show. I was also present in federal district court with those same groups when a federal judge ruled against recreational fishermen and FOR commercial fishermen. That court hearing was opened to the public and CCA of La was asked to help and attend, and yet no one from your little clown group showed their face.

So please stop fabricating ideas when the facts slap you in the face.

Anyone interested in reading what happen in Washington follow this link

http://gulfseafoodnews.com/2014/03/2...per-fishermen/

What did come out during numerous committee hearings and one court hearing was that CCA of La. changed its official postion on catch shares three different times. Each time being in contrast to its previous position. A fact that the federal district judge called "suspect" "self-serving" and "confusing."

So BigMouth, while your little revival was going on and your group tried to decide how much starch to put in your Cabelas fishing shirts, legit recreational fishing groups are working their butts off and never asking for membership money to pay the board members' salaries.

Thanks for the info cajunmade.

You sound like the guy we need to found our own new coastal division, ,

Hell we have the lake Charles CCA chapter president on here and I would love him to debate this

I was a big CCA supporter but over the years I learned it's all about the $$$$$$$ trail

1) allowed a few to change the trout lint down to 15 with zero evidence...but but CCA "said it's the right thing to do"

2) failed to take action against oyster dredging on big lake with out a seed program,

3) spent 600k+ on a reef and all the starched shirt Cca sunshine pumpers got to make the paper, while the oyster boats were rapping our fishing grounds laughing there azz off

Screw em

Biggun, i'm pretty sure just about all recreational fisherman agree on the red snapper issue. Let's hear some facts on the trout limit change on big lake, the oyster issue, and the triple tail limit changes.

Will Drost pushed 15 trout limit and 3Tail limit

He is married into the Lawton Family...anyone knows how much money the Lawton family pumps in the CCA??

It wasnt just WD that pushed the trout limit change, but we wont go into that in the open forum

That's past president and your best friends dad, your representative who lives in Jennings is the person who sold out on the oyster regulations for big lake. Everyone is entitled to their owns opinions but there is only one fact.

Can you prove any of Cajun Made facts not true? He pretty much hit a home run and not one CCA member or President can prove other wise

W

As U know I'm from Abbeville. I do fish BL. CCA wasn't even in the fight about the Oyster dredging..

As for as BL trout limits I remember, reading many articles that that Many, Many, Guides were in FAVOR of the 15 trout..

The many pictures of wade fisherman from Texas coming and smoking large trout in the winter time. as well as numerous, articles and pictures of stringers of extremely large trout in the LA sportsman mag. Was the start of the whole trout limit reduction..

Again the oyster fisherman was another issue.. That was a local State Representative..

Assigning blame to CCA for the oysters or trout in BL; is like Blaming me for the BP oil spill because I started working for them as 3rd party safety consultant after the incident..

I got to go to work..

I say itll be in the Gill Net by page 10

Dont you think the CCA shouldve used their pull to at least try to stop the dredging? Im not saying its their fault, but I thought destroying fish habitat was one of the things they were trying to prevent?

So you're saying they made the limit based on pics in magazines and internet instead of sound science?

Limit changes over pictures. Awesome. That's some solid data.

And that's when you know it's all about politics

Your BFF has only stated his opinion not facts that are suppportable by any stretch of his our your imagination. Please go have breakfast with Blade Moorish and ask him why he ammended his anti-dredging bill in the House. Come and give a book report when you have that information.

Well, we've heard the news snapper season has been cut to eleven days. The Licenses fees going UP.. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Apathy is one man's victory and another man's defeat. We as sportsmen, have done nothing to help ourselves. We come to sites like this and complain. We argue and fight, and then do what? NOTHING! Well the time for that is over. I don't care if you fish just for trout and redfish, if you are a charter captain, or fish the offshore like my family and I do. We as recreational
anglers and sportsmen need to all come together and stand up for what is rightfully ours. It is time to organize; to stand together and be heard. Instead We balme one organization or another.. We stop giving our hard earned money to one and give to another.. My father, once told me good leaders, say lead, or get out of the way and let someone else lead.. I'm a leader.. Not a follower.. That's why in 5 yrs after leaving LWCC, I'm working for 2 of the largest oil and gas company leaders in the GoM.



Believe me the commercial snapper sector is united and organized with one ultimate goal: putting an end to recreational fishing in federal waters. So whether or not you fish offshore we need your help. I will do my part. As I've gotten involved... One man trying to reach a million will not succeed, but a million men reaching one each will reach a million.

Cajun-made has proved nothing.. He also has just stated conjecture..I asked him to supply this site with the Organization he claims to represent, and supply his organizations mission statement.. .I haven't called him names!!!!! He also has just stated conjecture..

Which I have no problem with.. I respect his right to expound HIS opinion like everyone else on this site.

He has only said he represents REAL Recreational Fisherman..

I guess I'm going to get threatened again BY HIM with HIM FILING A FEDERAL LAW SUIT AGAINST ME... For harassment.

If YOU need my Address here in SO. TX. please let me know...

ok, so its all our fault CCA doesn't show up at legislative meetings and such :spineyes:

if we all donated a few more millions of dollars would they finally show up then? or would they still be too busy with local fund raisers and labeling marker bouys after themselves?