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marshrunner757 04-28-2015 11:21 AM

Respect is earned!

Matt G 04-28-2015 11:22 AM

This is what should be happening to every rioter out there. A group full of pissed off mommas is way more intimidating than a bunch of overweight cops in riot gear. This mother deserves a freaking award!

https://gma.yahoo.com/baltimore-mom-...opstories.html

simplepeddler 04-28-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 751465)
Respect is earned!

As should income be

BassYakR 04-28-2015 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 751468)
As should income be

Yep! Rioting and looting would be alot harder to do if they were all at work supporting their families.

MathGeek 04-28-2015 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 751465)
Respect is earned!

I'm not sure I agree. I think other people should generally be respected until they provide good reason not to be.

I am certainly teaching my children to respect others, and especially teachers, coaches, and uniformed public servants unless they have a good reason not to (such as an apparent attempt to cause harm, deceive, or clearly abuse authority).

I also think law enforcement would generally improve if officers more consistently demonstrated respect for citizens unless they have good reason not to in a specific case and circumstance.

The "us" vs. "them" mentality is not really helping unless one refrains as classifying others as "them" until you have specific, credible information giving you a good reason to classify someone as "them."

Goooh 04-28-2015 11:45 AM

Where's AlphaMan? I wonder how many people he has killed for resisting or fleeing?

Lawrence, when's the last time you shot someone in the back or crushed their spine and snapped their leg for breakfast?

simplepeddler 04-28-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751471)
I'm not sure I agree. I think other people should generally be respected until they provide good reason not to be.

I am certainly teaching my children to respect others, and especially teachers, coaches, and uniformed public servants unless they have a good reason not to (such as an apparent attempt to cause harm, deceive, or clearly abuse authority).

I also think law enforcement would generally improve if officers more consistently demonstrated respect for citizens unless they have good reason not to in a specific case and circumstance.

The "us" vs. "them" mentality is not really helping unless one refrains as classifying others as "them" until you have specific, credible information giving you a good reason to classify someone as "them."


You are correct...........there is however, a trend in these large cities to teach children NOT to respect others unless it is earned.........

But we have a younger group that is confusing fear with respect.

marshrunner757 04-28-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751471)
I'm not sure I agree. I think other people should generally be respected until they provide good reason not to be."

This is what I'm meaning MG.
Just because I respect you up front doesn't mean you're entitled to it.

Goooh 04-28-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marshrunner757 (Post 751476)
This is what I'm meaning MG.
Just because I respect you up front doesn't mean you're entitled to it.


As U.S. citizens we are all entitled to the respect of our rights by citizens and public servants, whether you like it or not.

So yes, in some sense, I am entitled to some form of respect by you just like 'ol Freddie

marshrunner757 04-28-2015 12:23 PM

Entitled of respect at first. You earned the right of respect by staying respectable. If I meet you on the street or where ever, I will show you respect until you do something that causes me to no longer respect you. That is what I mean by earning respect.

duckman1911 04-28-2015 12:40 PM

Baltimore sounds like a huntIng trip In the making. Not hunting around shoe stores, electronic stores or any place that sells weaves and hair extensions. Those are considered to be hunting over bait. Chicken joints may be off limits also but I'll have to check the regulations on that.

Top Dawg 04-28-2015 01:09 PM

I know if I was a business owner and spent my life and hard work building a business. I would be there protecting my business with any means possible.

simplepeddler 04-28-2015 01:21 PM

just hard to respect a person that has to hold on to his pants with one hand while giving a limp wirst handshake with the other

"W" 04-28-2015 01:27 PM

Just want to do hood rat things with my friends

MathGeek 04-28-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 751473)

But we have a younger group that is confusing fear with respect.

Sometimes authorities can reasonably use fear to help impart healthy respect.

We've all known teachers who would slap your hand with a ruler or issue a detention if you did not demonstrate respect.

We've all known coaches who would make you run extra laps or have some other consequence if proper respect was not shown.

And we've all encountered law enforcement more likely to write a ticket rather than issue a warning for a traffic violation if we failed to be respectful.

There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear of those in authority bringing reasonable consequences for failure to demonstrate proper respect.

But serious injury and death are not reasonable consequences in most cases unless that "lack of respect" carries with it a clear danger of death or great bodily harm.

simplepeddler 04-28-2015 01:57 PM

no what I am talking about........I am talking about a thug with his *** showing and a gun in his hand or five of his possie members to beat down a little ole white man and thinking he has the man's respect..............

duckman1911 04-28-2015 02:20 PM

Worry not about the animals. Animals will do what animals do. Have on hand at all times the means and skills to defend you and yours if the animals come prowling. Deal with them as they should be dealt with.

BassYakR 04-28-2015 02:33 PM

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ahlangle 04-28-2015 02:47 PM

I got up Monday and went to school.
Most of you probably got up and went to school or work also.
Meanwhile, these savages got up Monday and went out to destroy property, start fires, attack, kill, and inflict injury on policemen and policewomen, and anyone they could get their claws on.
The policemen and policewomen in Baltimore got up and had to deal with those animals.

Keep silently condoning this, making excuses for this type of "acting out", staying quiet when you hear the deafening voice of the uninformed and ignorant out of fear of being labeled a bigot, keep being afraid of and suppressed by the bullying of the "tolerant," keep compromising what you know is right, and this will become the norm.

God help us.

aquaholic 04-28-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ahlangle (Post 751503)
I got up Monday and went to school.
Most of you probably got up and went to school or work also.
Meanwhile, these savages got up Monday and went out to destroy property, start fires, attack, kill, and inflict injury on policemen and policewomen, and anyone they could get their claws on.
The policemen and policewomen in Baltimore got up and had to deal with those animals.

Keep silently condoning this, making excuses for this type of "acting out", staying quiet when you hear the deafening voice of the uninformed and ignorant out of fear of being labeled a bigot, keep being afraid of and suppressed by the bullying of the "tolerant," keep compromising what you know is right, and this will become the norm.

God help us.

X 1000!!!

MathGeek 04-28-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aquaholic (Post 751508)
X 1000!!!

Is silently condoning abuse of police powers and foot dragging in the investigation of a death while in police custody any different from silently condoning the aftermath of rioting and looting?

My view is that neither abuse of police power nor rioting and looting should be silently condoned.

duckman1911 04-28-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751514)
Is silently condoning abuse of police powers and foot dragging in the investigation of a death while in police custody any different from silently condoning the aftermath of rioting and looting?

My view is that neither abuse of police power nor rioting and looting should be silently condoned.

X2. Neither situation is acceptable and both are too common. Be prepared to defend yourself from either threat. Yes I see cops as a threat and yes I see the general public as a threat. If it has a badge and is a threat remember it's wearing a vest. Adjust sights accordingly. If not then aim center mass.

Goooh 04-28-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751514)
Is silently condoning abuse of police powers and foot dragging in the investigation of a death while in police custody any different from silently condoning the aftermath of rioting and looting?



My view is that neither abuse of police power nor rioting and looting should be silently condoned.


Great post MG

ahlangle 04-28-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751514)
Is silently condoning abuse of police powers and foot dragging in the investigation of a death while in police custody any different from silently condoning the aftermath of rioting and looting?

My view is that neither abuse of police power nor rioting and looting should be silently condoned.

This is true.
To clarify;
There are some bad cops. There are many more good cops.
When a bad cop does something bad, it is sensationalized in the media.
When a good cop does something good, it is rarely recognized.
The volume of attention given to the few times bad cops do bad things does not give anyone the right to decide "cops are bad," which is the message being sent to the simple-minded majority who are so ignorant that they have no other recourse to their problems than violence, rioting, and pillaging. And they are passing it on to their children.

Make no mistake, if you villainize the police, there will come a time when the wolf knocks at the door and you will be confronted with the realities they live with routinely.

People, you know what's right, you know what's really going on, and you have a choice to speak up for that when it is being questioned, or to ignore it, fear ostracism, or cower.

T-TOP 04-28-2015 04:28 PM

http://universalfreepress.com/freddy...ltimore-over/#

Rap sheet

Not sure if you guys remember when the guy got killed and drug behind the truck by his neck in Vidor Tx? The guy was a drug dealing thug, got killed by some white rednecks in a drug deal gone bad. NAACP was all over down there, built a big park in his name.... this stuff is ridiculous.. USA getting soft and it will eventually cost us all.


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Goooh 04-28-2015 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T-TOP (Post 751523)
http://universalfreepress.com/freddy...ltimore-over/#

Rap sheet

Not sure if you guys remember when the guy got killed and drug behind the truck by his neck in Vidor Tx? The guy was a drug dealing thug, got killed by some white rednecks in a drug deal gone bad. NAACP was all over down there, built a big park in his name.... this stuff is ridiculous.. USA getting soft and it will eventually cost us all.


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So they both deserved what they got?

MathGeek 04-28-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ahlangle (Post 751520)
Make no mistake, if you villainize the police, there will come a time when the wolf knocks at the door and you will be confronted with the realities they live with routinely.

It's not too hard to prepare for most likely scenarios of criminal wolves at the door. The standard home defense training and preparation can be very effective.

Preparing to survive uniformed wolves at the door is much more challenging.

Remember when they were confiscating firearms from law-abiding home owners in the aftermath of Katrina?

Are you not aware that Obama and the liberal elites are pursuing international treaties that may well lead to the confiscation of firearms, possibly by UN troops, possibly by domestic "law enforcement"?

I'm much more confident in the average gun owning citizen's ability to deal with a couple of meth heads than uniformed wolves. Diligent Americans would do well to ensure that our public servants are not allowed to become wolves at the door.

T-TOP 04-28-2015 05:33 PM

Baltimore
 
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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 751536)
So they both deserved what they got?


Probably so, drug dealers both of them
You disagree?

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Goooh 04-28-2015 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751545)
It's not too hard to prepare for most likely scenarios of criminal wolves at the door. The standard home defense training and preparation can be very effective.

Preparing to survive uniformed wolves at the door is much more challenging.

Remember when they were confiscating firearms from law-abiding home owners in the aftermath of Katrina?

Are you not aware that Obama and the liberal elites are pursuing international treaties that may well lead to the confiscation of firearms, possibly by UN troops, possibly by domestic "law enforcement"?

I'm much more confident in the average gun owning citizen's ability to deal with a couple of meth heads than uniformed wolves. Diligent Americans would do well to ensure that our public servants are not allowed to become wolves at the door.


#Jade Helm?

Goooh 04-28-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T-TOP (Post 751546)
Probably so, drug dealers both of them
You disagree?

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Lol, I think the drug laws and the war on drugs is for a whole new thread.

Clampy 04-28-2015 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 751548)
Lol, I think the drug laws and the war on drugs is for a whole new thread.

Uh yeah.

Selling a substance to consenting adult should hardly be a crime.

Like prostitution. Who cares. Two consenting adults.
All the bad things about prostitution would go away if legal.
Just like most bad things that surround drugs.

I'm patting myself on the back right now for staying out of this as long as I did.

Dogface 04-28-2015 06:08 PM

I think the big problem is the breakdown of the black family unit and as long as our government is paying these girls approx $1500 a month per child it will only get worse. No father figure in the life of these kids = thugs growing up on the street.

simplepeddler 04-28-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 751551)
Uh yeah.

Selling a substance to consenting adult should hardly be a crime.

Like prostitution. Who cares. Two consenting adults.
All the bad things about prostitution would go away if legal.
Just like most bad things that surround drugs.

I'm patting myself on the back right now for staying out of this as long as I did.

The folks in Colorado may differ in opinion

Pat Babaz 04-28-2015 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 751551)
Uh yeah.

Selling a substance to consenting adult should hardly be a crime.

Like prostitution. Who cares. Two consenting adults.
All the bad things about prostitution would go away if legal.
Just like most bad things that surround drugs.

I'm patting myself on the back right now for staying out of this as long as I did.

Here's the problem with that line of thinking...some of these illegal drugs are HIGHLY additive and the dope head needs more and more to get the same buzz. Unless he is independently wealthy he will eventually have to resort to robbery and assault to finance his addiction... If it was legal many many more teens and young adults would try it and get hooked causing them to have to rob steal or kill to get thier fix. Say what you will, but the threat of jail time is deterrent enough for most people

Clampy 04-28-2015 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Babaz (Post 751561)
Here's the problem with that line of thinking...some of these illegal drugs are HIGHLY additive and the dope head needs more and more to get the same buzz. Unless he is independently wealthy he will eventually have to resort to robbery and assault to finance his addiction... If it was legal many many more teens and young adults would try it and get hooked causing them to have to rob steal or kill to get thier fix. Say what you will, but the threat of jail time is deterrent enough for most people

Exact same argument can be made about alcohol and nicotine.

Clampy 04-28-2015 07:20 PM

I started of with one joe now I smoke a pack a day and one day it will kill me.

We reduced cig consumption among everyone and it's really down with kids. We didn't arrest one person to do that. I mean they killed Eric Garner but I digress.

MathGeek 04-28-2015 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 751564)
I started of with one joe now I smoke a pack a day and one day it will kill me.

We reduced cig consumption among everyone and it's really down with kids. We didn't arrest one person to do that. I mean they killed Eric Garner but I digress.

Most cases of cigarette busts that make the news are for smuggling and not paying the taxes, but there is plenty of enforcement for selling to minors also.

http://www.tax.ny.gov/press/rel/2014/almathil062514.htm

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/50-ar...ng-ring/nFJ8P/

http://www.your4state.com/story/d/st...C0iJWWDa5U0ldg

http://www.shenvalleynow.com/news/ar..._of_cigarettes

http://wivb.com/2014/10/09/two-arres...ng-in-buffalo/

https://www.ncdps.gov/NewsRelease.cfm?id=423

Clampy 04-28-2015 07:38 PM

As it should be but that's not the reason use is down

duckman1911 04-28-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 751564)
I started of with one joe now I smoke a pack a day and one day it will kill me.

We reduced cig consumption among everyone and it's really down with kids. We didn't arrest one person to do that. I mean they killed Eric Garner but I digress.

I smoke two packs a day and kill a 12 pack after work. Why? I'm not ballys enough to put a gun in my mouth so I have an installment plan. Don't smoke dope because it taste like sheeet.

T-TOP 04-28-2015 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 751551)
Uh yeah.

Selling a substance to consenting adult should hardly be a crime.

Like prostitution. Who cares. Two consenting adults.
All the bad things about prostitution would go away if legal.
Just like most bad things that surround drugs.

I'm patting myself on the back right now for staying out of this as long as I did.


Someone mentions drugs and you're always in the conversation....figured you would have moved to Colorado by now.


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Pat Babaz 04-28-2015 08:07 PM

The world would be a better place without lung cancer and achoholism no doubt, but the USA decided long ago that those would be our two legal vices for people to indulge in.... They are addictive and harmful for sure, but people generally wont rob and kill each other for another cigarette.... Now meth, coke, heroin on the other hand....

marshrunner757 04-28-2015 08:13 PM

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Goooh 04-28-2015 08:40 PM

I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.

duckman1911 04-28-2015 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 751591)
I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.

The agrument or the argument as you see it? Yes there are good cops and yes there are bad ones. Is police abuse of power an increasing problem? Yes. Is rioting, looting and destuction of property the way to right a wrong? No. Should rioters be shot? Yes. If they are shot they should be shot by people protecting themselves and their businesses.

Goooh 04-28-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Babaz (Post 751561)
Here's the problem with that line of thinking...some of these illegal drugs are HIGHLY additive and the dope head needs more and more to get the same buzz. Unless he is independently wealthy he will eventually have to resort to robbery and assault to finance his addiction... If it was legal many many more teens and young adults would try it and get hooked causing them to have to rob steal or kill to get thier fix. Say what you will, but the threat of jail time is deterrent enough for most people


Lord help us

Goooh 04-28-2015 09:13 PM

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The world would be a better place without lung cancer and achoholism no doubt, but the USA decided long ago that those would be our two legal vices for people to indulge in.... They are addictive and harmful for sure, but people generally wont rob and kill each other for another cigarette.... Now meth, coke, heroin on the other hand....


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Goooh 04-28-2015 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 751598)
The agrument or the argument as you see it? Yes there are good cops and yes there are bad ones. Is police abuse of power an increasing problem? Yes. Is rioting, looting and destuction of property the way to right a wrong? No. Should rioters be shot? Yes. If they are shot they should be shot by people protecting themselves and their businesses.


I agree with most of what you said, but more layers exist.

On a side note, if killing people is the answer to stopping them from committing a crime, wouldn't the cops have won the war on drugs already? Wouldn't there be no more crime in the areas where these cops are killing civilians for petty crimes?

Or, is brute force by either side not the answer at the end of the day? Does this retaliation create more retaliation and so on? Police killing to intimidate and prove a point, rioters rioting to intimidate and prove a point in retaliation, police getting more angry and aggressive, rioters children and LEOs children seeing what's going on and festering in and witnessing the acts that provoke the hate their fathers live with. This cycle never ends, just like the Middle East... It goes on for thousand of years.

That's one layer to add. Now start thinking about how to logically eliminate the problems we are seeing on both sides... Here come the other layers

Clampy 04-28-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by T-TOP (Post 751576)
Someone mentions drugs and you're always in the conversation....figured you would have moved to Colorado by now.


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Aren't you also in the conversation ?
I love the logic on this site.
If you are in favor of a person's right to do whatever they want to their own body you must be a doper. If you are in favor of gay rights you must be gay. Oh and let's not forget if you don't watch fox news you have got to be libtard.

PotLikinisAhabbit 04-28-2015 09:31 PM

Bruce Jenner is a conservative Christian...

Armand16 04-28-2015 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 751591)
I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.


And another layer


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