The cop that shot the guy was wasn't able to think under obviously. And his emotion caused him to pull the trigger. I don't think it was intentional. But his emotions controlled his action. The vet said f**k after the shots where fired.


how can this man possible maneuver his right arm to grab a gun that's in his right pocket with 2, 200 plus lb cops on top of him. One kneeling on one arm and a other on top of him.

I think the cop that shot him is younger than the one laying on his back after the shots.



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and one thing more..............I further admire the hell out of you for trusting enough in this group of guys to come here and post.............

You are the real deal..........

pretty much how I saw it to..............

so now we have one man dead because of his own stupid actions and multiple lives ruined because of his stupid actions

This is a problem in the low income communities.....its just like the way this horse is thinking he can't go anywhere but you can. And the gov. Helps with making that a reality..

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I've had many encounters with LE while packing. I open carry so it's obvious to a trained eye. Rarely am I questioned about it and when I am I make it clear that I'm not a threat. When you're carrying a gun your body language will tell LE more than what you speak. It's really simple. Hands out front be respectful and if asked for ID ask the officer to remove your wallet from your back pocket. Especially if its on your gun side. He is nervous too and wants to go home to his family. Think and it will be a smooth event for both.

spot on my brother

Having legally carried for many years some close relatives and I have had a number of occasions for interactions with law enforcement while armed. Most have been positive with good LEOs who appreciated and were committed to honoring RKBA with a few notable exceptions.

The exceptions tend to occur when the government employee does not really completely trust citizens with guns or some other factor tips the balance from what should be a respectful interaction into something less positive. As far as we can tell here are some things that tip interactions to the negative:

1. The gov't employee just does not trust citizens, even law abiding citizens, with guns.

Sometimes this is less obvious until they encounter a citizen with a configuration of legal guns of which they are more suspicious, such as an AR style. We've encountered it most often when the second lawfully carried pistol brings the grief. Hint: Answering the question, "Why do you need two guns?" with "For the same reason you do." Is not always the best plan.

2. The gov't employee or a buddy has an agenda.

A close family member started a new gun range near some land owned by the family of a local LEO who perceived their property values to be significantly decreased. Everything was legal, but the neighbors set out to harass him in person after their efforts with the zoning board and the local prosecutor failed.

3. Some member of the community has made an exaggerated report.

It is unclear why gov't employees place so much more trust in those making anonymous reports than in property owners, drivers, and CHL holders even after they know the property owner, driver, and/or CHL holder is law abiding.

All in all, our experience is that gov't employees more accustomed to rural areas are more comfortable with guns and less likely to infer that a report of a "man with a gun" or "shots fired" means that some kind of criminal activity is occurring. Wildlife officers tend to be the best, followed by deputies of rural agencies. The closer you get to urban areas, the worse it gets.

Other than long hair, lots of guns, and (sometimes) a hispanic appearance, our family does not tend to have actions or appearances that tend to suggest drug use or other criminal activities, so I'm not sure how tatoos, bling, a meth head appearance, slurred speech, or simply being black would further complicate interactions with law enforcement while armed.

It is unclear why gov't employees place so much more trust in those making anonymous reports than in property owners, drivers, and CHL holders even after they know the property owner, driver, and/or CHL holder is law abiding.




Fear.............of the lawyers if things are not folllowed up on and turn bad.

They(people that use government assistance as a career path) ALLOW the government to make that a reality. Pardon the pun here but...no one is forcing them at gun point to take that assistance. They seek it out.

Yes they seek it out. But I think you missing my point. If a person can change they way they think. They can do better. Is what I'm saying. But by the government giving its not helping a person become better

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So were the cops supposed to wait until they were at gun point to then draw on the guy?

I'm not in professional law enforcement but they said he has a gun in a frantic kind of way. Id have to guess they didn't use x ray vision to see the gun through his pants pocket......

I agree with all that 100% except for one part. The government providing help has absolutely no bearing on the issue.

Cocaine dealers are just chomping at the bit to sell me some stuff, heck even give me a first taste for free.........despite that I have still never tried the stuff.

Of all of the LE experiences I've had while armed only one was less than pleasant. It was right after Sandy Hook. Wass in the AT&T store to get a new phone. Been in there for ten minutes or so open carrying a full size 45. Guy walks in and stands beside wearing normal clothes. Then he asks what department I'm with. Told him I'm not LE. Then he asks if I have a cc permit. Told him open carry was legal so I didn't need a permit. He then pulls out a badge and starts telling me I'm wrong. We had a small discussion in which he said he was gona make a phone call (and did) so he could get a unit there. I agreed to put my gun in the truck. He made the call then after he came back in. He told me after Sandy Hook everyone is nervous. No unit showed up and I over heard his phone call. Whoever he called set him straight on the law but he never apologized or admitted he was wrong.

Once on the ground. They were suppose to proceed to grab his arms and arrest him. We go threw training on how to arrest someone that's on the ground etc.
They couldn't do that bc they were laying on top him tell him to stop resisting. But obviously werent trying to grab his arms to out cuffs on him. BC they where mentally out of it and on top of him. and the guy wasn't fighting at all. Obviously bc 2 200lb guys where on top of him.

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Guess We will just have to disagree then.

I'm with you. An armed man decides to fight with the cops. Why is anyone surprised he got shot? Why does there even need to be an investigation? It was da cops life or his. He chose wrong. I'm dumbfounded that anyone could be taking the side of the thug who decided fighting with the cops was a much better solution than cooperating.

As a law enforcement officer, how do you approach a call in which someone pulled a gun on another person? Gun drawn? Same way as you would someone jay walking? I'm honestly curious. Is that something you were trained in, or does the situation dictate the approach? I would imagine adrenaline is high and emotions are on edge. Especially if the call were in a crime ridden part of town.

As far as the guy not being able to get to that gun, I call BS. Watch the video closely. At no point in time did they have full control of his right hand. I'll bet you two guys could try to restrain me in the same manner and I could get to whatever was in my pocket. Anyone who has been in any sort of physical altercation would probably make the same bet. Not to mention that he had on baggy pants which would only make it easier to get to the gun, He wouldn't have even had to get it out of his pocket to get a shot off. Basically a variation of retention shooting.

I feel terrible for the man's family. It was heartbreaking watching his son break down at that press conference. But at the end of the day all of this could have been avoided had he just complied.

He was Fighting i guess yes but the gun wasn t pointed at the cop so the focus should have been to put cuff on him once on the ground

The cop pulled the gun out his pocket at the end

Yes it was a critical situation but it wasnt a life threatening one. Bc the gun was in his pocket. End result shouldnt have been death. Should have been an arrested person

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I made a bad mistake by turning to CNN last night. Here's the CNN reporter who just happens to be family friends of the scum who was shot interviewing the family attorney and the aunt. Before I know it they've turned it around to this poor black man trying to support his 5 kids by selling CD's outside the store. The aunt says she didn't see a gun. They removed a cell phone from his pocket. The attorney says the man was actually outside guarding and protecting the store! These idiots will put any kind of twist on it possible. Besides that CNN should have never allowed a family friend to report on this. Totally biased media. Don't resist and comply! If you have nothing to hide, it's pretty easy. I view this as a public service by the police.

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OK. So your saying 2 trained officers cant grab 1 mans arms that's laying on his back? 1 person obviously kneeling on one arm and the other on top of chest area.

Let's roll play these scenarios so you can see how that possible and not possible to reach in your pocket with 2 200lb people on you.

Fellas I'm looking at this from an officer point of view

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I'm really interested in your take on this shooting due to you being law enforcement. Are the opinions of the other guys you work with that these Baton Rouge cops over reacted also?

Emotions is the cause this shooting I say. He didn't shot him on purpose.

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Over reacted and emotions are 2 different things

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You still have to be able to think when under a stressful situations as a police officer. Ask a cop is ok to let your emotions take over in a critical situation.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckuUk9R5ES0

Watch the video. A the 6 second mark, the cop on top tries to grab his right hand and AS pulls it away. At that point they both seem to be wrestling near the guys right pocket when the first shot happens. The second officer is kneeling there staring blindly at what is happening. He’s basically no help to the other officer. The only good he's really doing is he has AS's left arm pinned with his knees.

Also, in the first video that came out, when the first officer goes for the takedown he grabs AS from behind and tries to slam him face down onto the ground/car. AS hits the hood of the car and rolls off landing on the ground face up. The officer attempted for a clean takedown that would have allowed him and the second officer to easily put the cuffs on him. Sadly it didn't happen that way. From my perspective, they did everything reasonably possible to subdue him. He fought them and lost.

I'll roll play. Even if I don't make it into my pocket, it could still be fun.

See above post....... They tried. He was Hell bent on not complying and their takedown didn't work like it does in class.

I'm looking at this entire thing objectively and I see a guy who thought he could fight his way out of an arrest.

33 year vet told he what I told you all his emotion f k him in this case.
As a cop once you emotions take over. your no good
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Not to mention they tazed him first with no effects.

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You all have fun debating I'm out. Lol

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Not to mention almost twice as many white people were killed by police in 2015 than black people and not 1 single hint of a story on national news. Noone seems to find the substance and entertainment in that. Pulling the race card is complete BS and I'm sick and got dam tired of it. There are people white, black, red, yellow, brown etc that are killed every day by police officers and not 1 single word about it. I'm sick of our racist President always making a racial issue out of these killings, even when the cops are in the right, when all he is doing is enhancing the violence that is sure to come with his drivel he spews. I'm sure most of these killings are justifiable, as does the baton Rouge case looks to be, but some are wrongfully killed and the cops need to be held accountable. It is a sad sad situation for all that are involved and their families. But look at this guy's rap sheet, the fact that he was on the street instead of behind bars tells us we have a problem with our system. Alpha, you seem like a stand up guy raising your kids as they should he raised. I would advise you this day in age to not be so naive. These guys causing problems with the cops do NOT care if you are a white cop, or a black cop. I hope you never get into a situation like this, but if you ever do I hope u do not give a known criminal the benefit of the doubt, because he will try to kill you just as fast as he would a white cop. Your family needs and depends on you too much for you to make the wrong decision.

There's a lot more to this than what you see. Just please do your homework before you deem this a "murder". He was a CONVICTED felon in possession of a concealed weapon. Wait, can't be, there's a law against a convicted felon possessing a weapon. C'mon folks, google Alton Sterling, this stuff is not a secret.
Records show that Sterling was registered sex offender with a lengthy criminal record that included convictions for weapons offenses, confrontations with police officers, property crimes, and domestic violence and other batteries.
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Soooo .. If your a felon and break the law its ok to be killed bc your background?

Felon =gun= long record = kill him its ok


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I don't think that is what he is saying.

The initial call said he had a gun and I think they were familiar with him.

Depending on the size of the gun in his pocket, he may not have had to get it out of the pocket to discharge it.

I'm with you just judging from the videos I've seen. Yeah he may have been a scumbag that resisted but it looks like the officers had him contained. I heard one officer say he has a gun. So do I. I didn't see anything thing that makes me believe the officers were not In control and could have ended this without firing a shot. That said he (the officer) is no different than you and I. He wanted to go home after work and was scared. Any LE officer that deals with someone combatant with a gun and says he/she isn't scared is lying. Everyone faces a bad guy with a gun is scared.

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Lol

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Looks like shirts are already on the streets of trashy BR...

If police tell me to stop and don't have probable cause, I as a citizen have and know my rights and don't have to succumb to their "higher authority" just because they have a star.

Not saying this guy wasn't supposed to be detained at all, just arguing the validity and thought of this meme... It isn't a blanket rule that just because a LEO says do something that you have to do it.

Post of the day.....

It's simple
Thug had a gun and could of used it
Cops had to eliminate the threat

It was eliminated with deadly force

Case closed

Move on!!

What pisses me off is if blacks (and Whites) put more effort into stopping violence on each other as they do when 1 cop shots a guy with a gun ..

Google black on black murders in Chicago for the month of June 2016

How many mad Fox CNN or NBC news headlines ? Zero because when it's black on black murder "black lives don't matter "

Black lives only matter when a white Person kills a black person "

Raciest to the extreme !!

Treat all equally but Obama wants another civil war but this time the south will win

3rd time I agree with ASR

You need to YouTube the video where a guy demonstrate today how you can shoot your gun ( same one Alton had) with it in your pocket

You kill the threat bottomline

No questions ask !! You as a officer have the right to go home to your family and not take the risk of getting shot by a low life thug

It has nothing to do with race!! Black,Brown,raghead, white!! The man would still be alive if he had not choose to fight not one cop but two!! Life is all about choices you make, he made the wrong one, and I don't blame the cops one bit!!! You say cop was young and emotional/ why was he able to carry a firearm let a lone be a cop then??? Killing a man/woman gulity or not changes your life forever!!! Not just for you but your family/friends and theirs!!!
Don't be a dumb butt and don't get shot go to jail and work it out in the morning!! Simple as that!!

I understand and agree with you 100%. Sad as it is you have but two choices now. Shoot it out or fight it out in court. Both choices will cost you. They know this and that's why so many comply no matter what. Court beats the coroner. The dude was a pos and yes I think it could have been handled without a gun but I believe society is better off now by just a little.

Dats da SC tourney shirts this year right? Lm f ao

Gold Benz chain for 1st. BMW chain for 2cnd. Caddy chain for 3rd. If you get a Buick chain just consider it a participation trophy. Better luck next year.

Escape and evade is a valid (and legal) third option, if you can pull it off.

I need 2 of these. One to ***** on and one to cover it up with.

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