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You forgot one sound specs frequently make when I'm trying to triple cluck; you know the moment they realized whats up and they bug out. To me it sounds like a cross between a snow goose and speck saying "BadBadBadBad" and quickly gain altitude, almost like there laughing at you. |
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And John thanks. Have you ran a deep south yet? |
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you are welcome I have not ran a deep south call---I do know that it is the same shop that both redbone and Riceland used to use to make their tone boards. Neither redbone nor Riceland use them anymore, and this shop started making their own tone boards which is what is in a deep south call. |
let the birds be the judge.......
with that said, I've got plenty of pictures of piles of dead specks that were killed with an Xciter Bartender in hand...to say it isn't sufficient in making realistic notes is false. It does not have the top end that a Redbone has, but there are very very few callers that can hit those notes anyway. |
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I actually have the double cluck down finally. And yes, Hunter learned me on it lol. His "power clucks" require ear plugs though. I don't have the lung capacity to get more than a couple of those super loud high pitched squeal double clucks like he does. I've hit a wall again though as far as advancing. Having a lot of trouble stringing multiple yodels together. I know a new call wouldn't magically make me be able to do it, but everyone likes a shiny new toy lol. |
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the exciter can produce realism--easy starting--- that is what is meant by low threshold and efficient--but it lacks the range of a redbone.
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those power clucks up to ultra high pitch range are exactly what breaks geese others don't even call at Hunter is an advanced speck caller(although he would not label himself as such),big man,lots of fuel to push that Riceland. endurance on the call comes from reps,then air control necessary to run long cluck strings at various pitches,then a call that can handle the push needed to produce that sound most callers run somewhere in the middle,so an easy blowing tight range call fits them,but when you start to run the extremes,that is when a call that is customized to you is really needed my calls would be thought of as trash to most callers,but they are customized to me |
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You're right, the redbone is in a category of it's own when it comes to range. |
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Hunter was telling me we needed to go to Bill's and let him fit me one. Probably should hold off on buying another random call until then I suppose? And yes I never dreamed that someone would call at geese that far away. But after chasing a cripple a few fields over I could still clear as day hear that high pitch squeal. |
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I could produce all the same note shapes I do on my calls,they are just super light for me----however----I run harder then the majority----like 99 % Thus the comment about efficiency---the average caller should have no trouble stringing notes together on both the exciter or havoc call In my opinion,the majority of call buyers could care less about comp wins or comp routines anyway,most are hunters that want something that allows them to achieve something realistic that they develop some kind of confidence in |
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if you are at the point where you feel limited by the call,then yes I would say wait until you can be fitted probably what Hunter would advise too Hunter is pulling trafficking specks into a place that they don't want to be 90 percent of the time,thus the need for his calling on the extremes---glad you got to see that,most people don't believe that until they actually see it done |
If you can do crisp triple note yodel, you can kill specks everyday in my opinion, no matter what call you have, once you get one bird out the group to start doing that triple note back to you its over last year i would only double cluck when they were way off or high. I swear every field seems to have guys who can call awesome now a days
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and yes,the level of calling in our area of sw Louisiana has improved substantially |
the calling and the wanna be callers. Takes a good caller to kill specks day in and day out. People call it luck but knowing how to call at a bird isn't luck that knowledge and hard lessons learned
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No one calls well enough to kill specks everyday. Some days it just doesn't happen.
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I personally think that if you can call above average, and there is a select group of callers in the section of the world that can, AND, you have the right conditions and a good flyway, then yes, I do believe a man can kill a limit of specks everyday in SW LA.
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There are a few who can and do But as stated,you must have some kind of flight,and other variables lining up,----field prep,concealment,decoys But the few elite callers who pull this off are very few and far between--you got to have a mighty large bag of tricks to throw at them |
LAst year when I would read you struggled for birds Mr. John I may or may not have did a silent thank god bc I was struggling, If your struggling the birds just aren't working right or not there! lol
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Man they are getting tougher each year the pressure around is unreal,as stated earlier,the level of calling has improved in every field it seems but it is what it is,we deal with the cards dealt and keep after them |
yessir I agree completely. I had some great hunts and some humbling hunts. Just the way it goes.
Just keeping after them. |
I know guys that are very average callers and kill limits every day. I also know very good (competition) callers that don't kill very many limits at all. I think it's got way more to do with where you are than it does how well you can call.
There's much to be said about guys that actually know how to read and work birds too. there's a big difference between being able to run a call at a high level and being able to put birds on the strap. |
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No doubt! I agree 110% I also know guys that are terrible at calling, but can read birds and seem to just "know" what to do and when. It amazes me every time. All this talk about specks is getting me excited to talk to some bellies!! Uka-uk!!! |
Whether we agree on any of these matters or not we all have the same thing on our mind, colder weather, whiskey drinks, and bellies following from the sky!
Live by the yodel, die by the cluck! |
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I'm ready to hear that ground thump baw!
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I will use the "trophy" hunting anology that commonly takes place at bars. IMO competent calling gets you in the door, but knowing what to say and when will greatly increase you odds of leaving with company. You can choose your targets wisely with a planned out approach or you can yell at every prospect within earshot and hope for the best. Otherwise known as the "Refuge Approach". |
silence is the best note shape at times
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like ole Buck Gardner says, "always call at wing tips and tale feathers".
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I had a few times last season where I'd get some hot and then panic not wanting to squeal a note or say the wrong thing with them close, and they'd lose interest and keep on keeping on. Talk about frustrating.
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That is exactly what made me seek out a more realistic calling approach then lu lu,la la la,lu lu
I did burst method for 20 years before I got into what I do now---why? 10 years ago in my area lu lu la la quit being effective It would trigger initial response,but birds would go stale real quick and it is one hell of a bad feeling to know you have nothing left to throw at them sound wise as they continue to avoid finishing,slide off to the side,or not even break. |
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Any pro tips on finishing them after you've got them hooked up? Or at least what not to do? |
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There are two things I will do 1) mimic the bird, every note it hits I hit. 2) this is my go to more times then not, clucking, double clucks single clucks low low when they are coming in slow and making sure I don't throw in something that isn't right. Avoid the simple mistakes when those birds really start looking and your success rate will go up ( at least for me it did). Don't rush the birds, blowing louder and faster won't do anything to help you out. |
Now with a body of birds right on my a$$ That calling strategy will very.
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The Lord cant compete with live birds |
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fields over yes but one cut over no
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I have been through the whole scenario. Learning to really run a call. THEN THINKING I COULD CALL ANY SPECK IN THE SKY IN. Being completely humiliated by the birds not reacting to all the fancy stuff like I thought. THEN,THEN I started to really learn once I realized working specks consistently is a brain thing NOT a run the wheels off the call thing. Putting realism WITH when to call and when to be silent AND realizing that response to yodel versus cluck changes during the season at certain points and weather conditions. THEN things start clicking.
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Also, If any of you guys are on facebook and are part of Specklebelly goose callers I highly recommence Mr.Johns speck calling tips, has taught me a lot! |
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Once u get em broke it doesnt take much. Its easier to push birds away with too much calling than not enough. If there's no wind let em drift wayyyy out before turning them. Its hard for some ppl to do but what you dont want is to keep them tight over the blind and any little movement and theyre gone. Typically once a group of specks are excited theyll start talking to each other. Let em talk.
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Very good point about letting birds get out there a ways before turning them back |
I am learning so much from this thread. Wish I could get in a blind with you guys and see it first hand.
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