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Clampy 08-20-2013 09:32 AM

Had weed killed anyone directly ?

MissSmallAimsSmall 08-20-2013 09:35 AM

"Of particular concern is the presence of cannabis as the sole psychoactive drug in an increasing number of road fatalities and the lack of any structural response to this problem." - Cannabis and driving: a new perspective

Clampy 08-20-2013 09:35 AM

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...es_ld50s.shtml

Here is the lethal dose rates of drugs.

Clampy 08-20-2013 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissSmallAimsSmall (Post 619510)
"Of particular concern is the presence of cannabis as the sole psychoactive drug in an increasing number of road fatalities and the lack of any structural response to this problem." - Cannabis and driving: a new perspective

This is soooooo easy.
Cannabis stays in urine for up to a month so if someone tokes a week before then gets in a wreck and kills someone. Is it weeds fault ?

Clampy 08-20-2013 09:39 AM

Next please tell me how more people are in treatment for weed !

cgoods17 08-20-2013 09:50 AM

well i will have to agree that weed is safer than alcohol.. i smoked pot for years and not once had any of the same problems or gotten into any kind of situation as i did when i was drunk.

The problem that i think people have with pot is that it is the "gateway" drug. and in a way it is..

I probably wouldnt have eaten those mushrooms that one time if i wasnt so high and had the munchies :smokin:

"W" 08-20-2013 10:38 AM

Clampy
..will we see you on the cover of High Times

Clampy 08-20-2013 10:42 AM

Maybe one day. Just maybe.

Clampy 08-20-2013 10:45 AM

Hey MG give this a read. Dr. Gupta changed his mind based on science. Why can't you ?

" why I changed my mind on weed "

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health...mind-marijuana

MathGeek 08-20-2013 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 619534)
Hey MG give this a read. Dr. Gupta changed his mind based on science. Why can't you ?

" why I changed my mind on weed "

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health...mind-marijuana

This video and article are on the medical marijuana debate, so citing it as a specific person's opinion regarding non-medical legalization seems dishonest.

The question of should doctor's be allowed to prescribe marijuana for specific medical conditions is much different than should all adults be able to purchase marijuana for recreational uses. I have not stated any view on the medical marijuana issue, only on the issue of legalization for recreational use, which is the Libertarian view and the subject of this thread.

Clampy 08-20-2013 11:09 AM

No dr can prescribe while its in schedule 1. They can Only recommend

Clampy 08-20-2013 11:11 AM

So current law forbids drs from prescribing the medicine they think a patient needs. Are you for rescheduling of cannabis ?

Goooh 08-20-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 619217)
If Federal law makes it legal and puts a age on it...not much we can say

Will Federal ever make it legal, I don't see it in the near future. So until then its an illegal drug that calls for jail time ! So you can not compare weed vs alcohol

50% of the US population are in favor of legalizing marijuana, up from 12% ~50 years ago, the current standings of the vote on this thread support that. A federal legalization may be closer than you think.

You can disagree with the legalization, and you can disagree with the viewpoints set forth. Disagreeing with the data is a lot more difficult.

Keep in mind that the majority vote on this thread is for the legalization of marijuana along with federal penalties to be imposed on supplying to minors.

Quite a few statements here have thrown libertarians into the realm of Anarchists, this is a misconception an somewhat of an insult to Libertarians. We are all for mandates where they make "scents", but actively stand in opposition to government intrusion that has no logical reasoning and is implemented solely on the basis of morality and feel good legislation.

The fears set being propagated in a lot of these arguments are as fundamentally sound as the fears put forth in the gun control argument. Gun control activists have never held a gun, or been around a gun, yet they induce fear into those with a similar lack of real life experience in the same exact manner that those who have never felt or experienced the effects of pot...

The continuation of criminalizing a substance that is proven to be less threatening than alcohol is purely based on ignorance. The fact that other countries have decriminalized the substance and have seen only positive results in the form of reduced disease, dependency and crime, as well as the increase in revenue and safety is a testament to how effective the fear mongers and moral "superiors" have been in their attack on a substance they actually have no knowledge of - their so called knowledge is not based on experience, it's based on biased information that they don't care to counter study.

Where is the wisdom we've lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we've lost in information?

mr crab 08-20-2013 11:26 AM

420 posts then close the thread. Final statements gentlemen?

Goooh 08-20-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 619507)
Had weed killed anyone directly ?

It's interesting that this question was asked before on this thread and, along with others, has been conveniently avoided.

Yet, our side of the fence has answered the questions that were sent our way.

The naysayers have had their butts handed to them for almost 20 pages now... Close this bad boy down and make it a sticky, the votes are in!

Clampy 08-20-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 619547)
50% of the US population are in favor of legalizing marijuana, up from 12% ~50 years ago, the current standings of the vote on this thread support that. A federal legalization may be closer than you think.

You can disagree with the legalization, and you can disagree with the viewpoints set forth. Disagreeing with the data is a lot more difficult.

Keep in mind that the majority vote on this thread is for the legalization of marijuana along with federal penalties to be imposed on supplying to minors.

Quite a few statements here have thrown libertarians into the realm of Anarchists, this is a misconception an somewhat of an insult to Libertarians. We are all for mandates where they make "scents", but actively stand in opposition to government intrusion that has no logical reasoning and is implemented solely on the basis of morality and feel good legislation.

The fears set being propagated in a lot of these arguments are as fundamentally sound as the fears put forth in the gun control argument. Gun control activists have never held a gun, or been around a gun, yet they induce fear into those with a similar lack of real life experience in the same exact manner that those who have never felt or experienced the effects of pot...

The continuation of criminalizing a substance that is proven to be less threatening than alcohol is purely based on ignorance. The fact that other countries have decriminalized the substance and have seen only positive results in the form of reduced disease, dependency and crime, as well as the increase in revenue and safety is a testament to how effective the fear mongers and moral "superiors" have been in their attack on a substance they actually have no knowledge of - their so called knowledge is not based on experience, it's based on biased information that they don't care to counter study.

Where is the wisdom we've lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we've lost in information?

Nice.

Clampy 08-20-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 619551)
It's interesting that this question was asked before on this thread and, along with others, has been conveniently avoided.

Yet, our side of the fence has answered the questions that were sent our way.

The naysayers have had their butts handed to them for almost 20 pages now... Close this bad boy down and make it a sticky, the votes are in!

Oh it ain't done till 3 more. Shane on whoever post 421

AceArcher 08-20-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 619492)
From 1984 to 1996, the period during which Dutch prosecution of marijuana-related offenses became virtually nonexistent, marijuana use increased consistently and substantially until 1992 while decreasing or remaining stable in other countries. Among 18- to 20-year-olds, the proportion who reported ever having used marijuana increased from 15% to 44%, and the proportion who reported using it within the previous 30 days increased from 8.5% to 18.5%. Use among adolescents in the United States decreased steadily from 1979 to 1992. - - Legalization of Marijuana: Potential Impact on Youth

False, completely.

Read the study again, or open you mind enough to look at all the studies on the subject matter (including those that don't support your opinion) Drug use only increased in the Netherland due to an uptick in drug tourism. Drug use among residents of the netherlands decreased. I have already linked the study substantiating that in the earlier pages of this thread.

AceArcher 08-20-2013 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 619497)
Not safer than booze

Psychomotor effects and driving Cannabis produces dose-related impairments in cognitive and behavioural functions that may potentially impair driving a motor vehicle or operating machinery. These impairments are larger and more persistent for difficult tasks that depend on sustained attention The most serious possible consequence of acute cannabis use is a road-traffic accident if a user drives while intoxicated.

The effects of recreational doses of cannabis on driving performance in laboratory simulators and standardised driving courses have been reported by some researchers as being similar to the effects when blood alcohol concentrations are between 0.07% and 0.10%. -- Adverse effects of cannabis

so cannabis affects your ability to drive in pretty much the same fashion as booze? okay... great deduction... last I checked no one is pushing an agenda here of let's legalize and let every one drive around while stoned out of their gourd.

AceArcher 08-20-2013 11:41 AM

I got this. :) reserved for a final thoughts in case this thread is actually shut down.


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