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booyagasha 09-10-2011 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 320117)
But this is exactly why we are losing our rights. If we don't make a stand, who will? Not our government, that's for sure!


EVO

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 320167)
Wouldn't you search the bus before you searched the passengers? I dought they searched them on the bus. Line them up outside the bus then search it. If its not found on the bus then follow the school system's procedures.

Not have the LEO do it for you. I'm all for cops and have many friends that are cops but there is a procedure in place for the school system but it sounds like it was not followed. If a LEO is going to pat down my 8 year old I damn sure want to be there.

EVO

THIS......
if a parent/guardian has to be present when interrogating/questioning a minor, should be the same for frisking ----with probable cause.

booyagasha 09-10-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by evis102 (Post 320162)
[B]

I could not agree more.The Government has used a few statistically insignificant events to strip away our rights.

true, Patriot Act comes to mind, a bill/law passed to fight terrorism/terrorist can and has been used against fellow citizens.

bjhooper82 09-10-2011 01:53 PM

So in other words some of you are saying the only reason the pat down was wrong is because the driver simply lost the phone? What would you be saying if they found the phone on one of the kids???

huntin fool 09-10-2011 01:58 PM

I do have a picture of a bus driving texting and driving when we went on a school trip.

evis102 09-10-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by southern151 (Post 320179)
Eman is dead on with this. If a kid grabbed it and saw a cop standing out there waiting to get to the bottom of the situation, yeah, he's gonna toss it.

As far as being excess or as Evis says, more of our liberties being taken away by dogs and drug testing, tell that to the parents of Columbine. Tell that to a parent whose kid died of heart failure or infection due to bad steroids because he was under pressure to be a superior athlete.

Growing up, I was under the impression that kids didn't have rights. When they got rights was shortly after parents quit doing their job as parents.

In short, don't blame schools or law enforcement for actions like this. Blame parents who have created environments where the possibility of theft is likely. If theft wasn't a real possibility, this would not have happened.

As bad and cold as it is to say Columbine was a statistically insignificant event. People have to look at the big picture, by chrushing our rights over a single event we give that event way more significance than it should ever have. Overreaction to a single event is part of the reason this country is in such poor shape. And yes I'm talking about 9/11.

jusatch 09-10-2011 04:07 PM

I don't like the pat-down, but why didn't the bus driver ask the LEO to call the phone to see if it would ring? All the kids that go to school with my kids have their own phones, even at 11, so the bus driver could have probably borrowed one from a student.

weedeater 09-10-2011 11:46 PM

Where is our SaltyCajun lawman when we need him....... IronMan come on what's your take on this situation :confused:

CajunSaint 09-11-2011 01:26 AM

[QUOTE=bjhooper82;320268]So in other words some of you are saying the only reason the pat down was wrong is because the driver simply lost the phone? What would you be saying if they found the phone on one of the kids???

They found the phone on the floor of the bus. Wouldn't you think the bus driver should have looked before?

PaulMyers 09-11-2011 01:56 AM

[quote=CajunSaint;320518]
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Originally Posted by bjhooper82 (Post 320268)
So in other words some of you are saying the only reason the pat down was wrong is because the driver simply lost the phone? What would you be saying if they found the phone on one of the kids???

They found the phone on the floor of the bus. Wouldn't you think the bus driver should have looked before?

Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner!!!

EVO

iron man 09-11-2011 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by weedeater (Post 320500)
Where is our SaltyCajun lawman when we need him....... IronMan come on what's your take on this situation :confused:

Lol


A short story will do...

When I was a senior, we had an altercation between a couple of us students. A kid in my class (Logan) logged onto facebook from the teacher's computer (big no no at ACHS) and didn't log off. My very good buddy James went on Logan's facebook and posted a joke, we all got a laugh except for Logan (big hippie type kid who thinks military is stupid and finds a way to blame everything on the government, and smokes alot of weed, and he's "always right"). Well, we got into a worded arguement in class the next day and when I offered my input, which was, "you shouldn't have been on facebook in the first place", things got a little more heated and it nearly came to blows in RELIGION after I was told, "why don't you stop sucking his ****?". And during lunch, a punch was thrown towards me by Logan, and he found his face in my Lasagna. Well, Logan found his way into saying that me and James were threatening him and told our principal that we had our guns in our trucks and we were gonna shoot up the school (which had happened already during our sophomore year by some Dville crack dealer). Which was stupid because I or James would never bring a gun on school grounds or do anything to waste $24K that our parents paid. The APSO was called and they searched our trucks in the parking lot before our parents were called during our last hour. Upon reaching the school about an hour and a half later, both sets of our parents were pissed. But, what we were told was they "had probable cause on school property, and schools have the right to search and siezure." I had no problem with it mostly because I had nothing to hide.


But as it turns out, I do have an opinion, if your kid had nothing to hide and was innocent, whats the problem?

PaulMyers 09-11-2011 05:09 AM

That's the short version? ;)

But like you said, "probable cause" of which there was none on this instance.

EVO

iron man 09-11-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 320526)
That's the short version? ;)

But like you said, "probable cause" of which there was none on this instance.

EVO

Lol. Yes actually that was. The whole episode was started a few days before by other events and that one led to the eventual blow up.

mcjaredsandwich 09-11-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by iron man (Post 320524)
Lol


A short story will do...

When I was a senior, we had an altercation between a couple of us students. A kid in my class (Logan) logged onto facebook from the teacher's computer (big no no at ACHS) and didn't log off. My very good buddy James went on Logan's facebook and posted a joke, we all got a laugh except for Logan (big hippie type kid who thinks military is stupid and finds a way to blame everything on the government, and smokes alot of weed, and he's "always right"). Well, we got into a worded arguement in class the next day and when I offered my input, which was, "you shouldn't have been on facebook in the first place", things got a little more heated and it nearly came to blows in RELIGION after I was told, "why don't you stop sucking his ****?". And during lunch, a punch was thrown towards me by Logan, and he found his face in my Lasagna. Well, Logan found his way into saying that me and James were threatening him and told our principal that we had our guns in our trucks and we were gonna shoot up the school (which had happened already during our sophomore year by some Dville crack dealer). Which was stupid because I or James would never bring a gun on school grounds or do anything to waste $24K that our parents paid. The APSO was called and they searched our trucks in the parking lot before our parents were called during our last hour. Upon reaching the school about an hour and a half later, both sets of our parents were pissed. But, what we were told was they "had probable cause on school property, and schools have the right to search and siezure." I had no problem with it mostly because I had nothing to hide.


But as it turns out, I do have an opinion, if your kid had nothing to hide and was innocent, whats the problem?

Grab some poppcorn....story time with Iron man....turn cell phones to silent or vibrate

weedeater 09-11-2011 05:16 PM

:smokin: sorry, its just been real quite around here. :D

iron man 09-11-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weedeater (Post 320702)
:smokin: sorry, its just been real quite around here. :D

I know, I've been in Alabama for a few days and will likely be flying out with my dad for Iowa in the next few days.


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