Dredge the channel in front of our docks.
Never said that industry manages, schedules or determines when to dredge. They just pay for usage of channel that goes towards dredging of channel.


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How far is it from Big Lake to Sabine by boat?

Soo Raymond

Simple Yes or No question


Does the the CCA have right now a plan or action to stop dredging or start reseeding of oysters?? Right Now

26.2 nautical mi from jetty to jetty


"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

You've repeated used the words "ship channel" when claiming industry pays for dredging.

Yes, I have. They pay. What are you talking about?? This is a dumb A$$ argument.... Do you honestly believe that all the industry using the "ship channel" are not being made to maintain the depth??? Not being charged by the government to use it?? C'mon man.. Think about it.


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You think about it. You say they pay to dredge the ship channel, the. When someone stands you up you come out and say you meantime they lay to dredge their dock channel.

Think about it. Industry doesn't pay to dredge the channel, they dredge their "parking lot".

10 pages or bust!

Is nautical miles different from regular miles?


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Yes

Did you go to the meeting at the port Arthur public library about the proposed trout and flounder regulations? Nothing voiced at that meeting was represented by cca when it came time to support or align against the proposals that just cut our trout limits in half. I am very involved and have been for quite some time. The rich elitist fly fishermen from the lower Laguna madre have finally convinced the majority of joe six packs through the aid of cca that a 5 trout limit is what makes sense. Too many blindly follow anything cca supports because of a few good things they did 20years ago.

Ok, gooh last one. We pay 100% to dredge our area of the channel in front of our dock.

For every ship that uses the channel. There is a fee paid. If the ship is being used to transport purchased oil to say ConocoPhillips that would be the company that pays the fees. Now, those fees are used to dredge maintain and expand the channel. It's really not difficult, we on the same page now??


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Pretty simple idea

Can we just gets some damn rocks at wash out and 9mile

All I want and I'll be happy

Amen!!!!!

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Bl rant
 

Show me a map of this "channel" you dredge. Because in sure the corp just lets your company call up the nearest dredge and start digging away on a verbal PO.

Lmao

You have to be drunk or something....


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You must have never attended a real meeting on dredging navigable waterways.

Haha

Lousy blow...


Anyway, you stated that industry funds dredging of the channel which just isn't true. And you can't argue that, so then you switched to "I saw a flyer by the water cooler showing how much we paid to dredge". Then said "well, I meant in front of our dock". Which really means you don't pay Jack squat for dredging in between the little red and green markers, but just pay to keep your dock deep enough to shove a ship against to load/unload cargo.

The blanket statement that the entire channel between the markers is maintained by LC industry funds is 100% untrue. The money comes from taxes levied on the shipping companies coming into port.


http://www.americanpress.com/AP-Editorial-9-27-13

And I'm the drunk one.

You think a shipping company is going to eat our cost for maintaining our channel? It gets paid by the industry using the channel... You think there is a toll bucket at the jetties for that ship coming from overseas for them to drop their coin in... You are having a hard time comprehending all of this maybe... The operations and payments of cargo liners shipping for the port of LC may be different. That is not the same as the industry.
I never said I meant to say, all industry pays for dredging between the red and green. If ConocoPhillips, Citgo, ppg and the rest of the industry using the channel shut down the channel would be left to be kept clear by the shipping companies using the port? Why are you so argumentative about this? I don't care what you believe, I know what I know, believe what you want.


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Mad mad mad

Nope, not me buddy.


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I think I saw Raymond hiding in the bushes with his tail between his legs and mumbling to himself :cry:

Raymond can you answer w's legitimate question? If you or the cca cannot answer any honest questions why would y'all expect us to support your organization? Please answer w's question then you can answer the others.

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Nope, your representative will not support it. Why not ask him why and let us know.

if it depends on us to get our representative to support it then what is the point of your existence? and if you don't know why he doesn't support it then you have no idea how to get him to support so once again it comes right back to "what is the point of your existence again?"

its YOUR job to talk him into supporting it, not ours, otherwise we don't need you if you cant do your job, that's why we give you money, not to have good times with it and promote yourselves. you have been living off of the dead carcass of the gill net ban that had wide spread universal support across the whole spectrum of people who fish recreationally or commercially but "what have you done lately" literally?

I don't see CCA doing ANYTHING at election time "making" these politicians positions on these things well known so they can be held accountable. I haven ever seen a single flier or commercial during election time calling out these politicians for their positions on things. if you don't embaress them and call attention to it they have no reason to take you seriously or care what you say because they pay no price for hoping in bed with the special interest lobby groups. people don't like greedy politicians being bought and paid for and a large portion of the non sportsman voting public WILL change their votes over such info but ONLY if its made known.

Totally disagree with you not contacting YOUR rep. They want to hear from their constituents, not organizations. Believe me.

If not, why would the NRA, AARP, and others contact their membership to contact their reps on important issues. This isn't aimed at CCA. Any organization works this way.

And NO balls by the CCA

.... No fight No balls

us contacting them ONLY has any impact behind it IF the CCA is already burning their ears over it and our contacting them confirms the organizations supporters stand behind them.

when CCA isn't in the room they show they just don't care and THATS why the organization is laughed at in political circles because they know you no longer support the best interests of the majority of your membership and therefore don't have their support or votes behind you anymore.

Like i said ,If fishermen boycotted the star for a year or two. CCA La, would fold,

yea the hell with dem oysters we makin rain boats n trucks for the STAR!!


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Agree! Lake Pontchatrain use to look like a big cup of coffee when the were dredging for shells killing everything just for some shell driveways and roads. Ya'll better jump on it quick Big lake isn't big enough for oyster dredging its not like the Breton sound area and other areas open to the gulf. Trout fishing put that Lake on the map not Oysters.

i just started a page on facebook called Boycott the S.T.A.R

yall go join it and spread the word!

That article indicates the channel dredging is funded 50% by federal dollars and the other 50% depends on the state legislature. No private funds?

Big Lake , How bad can it get?
 

Todays Lake Charles American Press fishing report. "Capt Kevin Broussard, Worse Ive seen in 20 years", Having fished and guided on Big Lake for over 40 years, is the worse Ive ever seen.
Think combination of a number of reasons
1 Weirs, Little to no bait in system
2 Oyster Dredging, reefs Ive fished for years gone
3 Erosion of ship channel, I remember when 9 mile was 75 years wide, there were 2 more islands south and the washout was 200 years wide
4 Pressure,
Without another storm to breech the levies,which nobody wants, I can't see any improvement coming our way

What is the difference between the marsh on the east side of Sabine lake and the east side of big lake?

Duck hunters with money

couple pounds of dynamite should take care of the weirs

Salinity levels in Sabine tend to be lower, thus saltwater intrusion is less of an issue. Various factors contribute to lower salinity in Sabine:

1. More freshwater flow due to draining much larger watersheds. Also dammed reservoirs releasing fresh water for power generation during low rainfall periods.

2. Weaker coupling between Sabine Lake and the Gulf of Mexico. The southern end of Sabine lake is less connected to the ship channel.

In addition, the marsh between Sabine and West Cove may simply be less susceptible to saltwater intrusion. Possible explanations:

1. The soil is slightly higher in elevation. As much as 6" would make a big difference in saltwater intrusion.

2. The soil types on that part of Cameron may be less susceptible to saltwater intrusion.

Sabine and Neches rivers flowing into Sabine lake.

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That makes absolutely no sense. What about the marshes on se ends of galveston bay and ne corner. Lower Laguna and Baffin have huge marshes feeding into estuary. Baffin, corpus christy, and laguna madre there salt levels stay in mid 20's. Why they have giants and we don't.

I have friends that guide in several estuary's in texas and when they come to big lake and see a weir system blocking off a natural marsh. They laugh and say only in LA can you buy a lock sytem to protect yourduck hunting.

Marshes
 

In all fairness...... Yes, there are a ton of marshes in those Texas esutaries, BUT, I can guarantee you that those marshes in TX are easily adaptive to saltwater. THe marsh behind the wiers are not even in the same class of marsh as those in TX. I was part of the CRMS project on its first 2 initial contracts. We took salinity readings back there once a month. You wouldn't imagine the range of salinities form the marsh behind T boy's wier (closest to the channel) to the salinity up near the marsh south of Commissary. Only a few miles difference, but the marsh near Bois Connie and Mangrove wiers were much more diverse in plant life as opposed to the 4-6 species of plants behind the one closest to the channel. Lack of rain is the biggest factor right now. I believe pure seawater is close to 35 ppm. Some readings back there in the brackish marshes, NOT salt marshes were reading close to 29 ppm at times. After large periods of rain, it would drop considerably. So, to compare the ecosystems in the lower to midcoast of TX to the marsh behind the wiers just isn't like an apples to apples argument. And also, they have longer fish over there than we do. Can you imagine if a 32" trout was caught in Big Lake? I've caught 24" 6 pounders in the lake. TO ME, our fish seem heavier here, just not quite as long as the ones in Baffin, Corpus, etc....

Just my .02.....

Big Lake has never had specks as big as Baffin, Corpus, and Lower Laguna.

Those systems favor the production of much smaller numbers of bigger fish.

The waters are warmer due to lower latitude which extends the growing season, so specks grow longer each year. The bigger specks actually get big enough to eat smaller specks buy age 3 or so, so that speck on speck food chain is much more prominent than in Louisiana waters.

Another important difference is that those marshes have always been salt marshes. They have reached an equilibrium as salt marshes. They are not formerly brackish marshes that stand to undergo tremendous erosive losses if converted to salt. Soil and bottom types are also much more resistant to erosion than the silt in SW LA.

Just came off 30 days of vacation and spent all but 3 at camp, those full time guides are disgusted with how the State and CCA has let our fishing go to hell!

One of the guides who has been guiding on lake over 20years started applying for plant jobs because he knows this is about to run dry!

no bait , no oysters , no land , ship channel 60ft deep to la berge
Weirs operated like ObamaCare
Not going to make fish stay !!!

annnnd no weirs

Open the weirs plant Texas marsh grass back there.
Your welcome

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ask the gill netters from the 80s and 90s how big the trout were here. they would put them in crates of 100 lbs of fish. I have heard stories of 10 fish per crate and they were gutted.

vote clampy cca pres