Instead of complaing about it on here set up a lake alliance. Approach all involved parties (eg, port of l.c., ldwf, ldeq(based on sediment deposition the aliance could influnce BMPs to be installed by port). Develop a lake corrective action plan (CAP) and submit it to CPRA, many parishes governments are curently doing this to get a piece of the draft master plan. Within the master they have probably 10 go-bys that would be a great template for the at hand problems. If you formailze it on paper you will get a better response vs. Trying to use the good old boy method. The CAP would probably take 5, 000 - 8, 000 to write it.Just my .02. Have a fishing tournament to sponsor the plan. Boooom.

Or loose the great fishing that we all know the lake can sustain.

A bunch of you cats want to be the hero on here. How about be the hero of big lake. End thread.

the texas bay systems are natural salt water bays. Sabine and Big lake have man made ship channels in to gulf. Sabine has more freshwater flow frome 2 rivers BL has 1.

I think BAY SYSTEMS like BB,LM,GB etc. where always salt water systems as too LAKES like BL,SL,etc. where fresh water systems with undamed rivers flowing into them. Then came ship channels and intercostal water ways and things changed. Talked with Peggy Baily who was very old and she grew up on the north end of sabine lake,shes been daed for about ten years. She said Sabine way back when was half the size it is now and was full of cypres trees and very shallow.

Cajun Outback in upper Trinity Bay has a levee around their hunting lodge and property..they control the salt levels with a type of "wier" system. Pipes and valves. Guess where the best duck hunting is. Rain is their best friend.

Just rocked a big piece of the ship channel here. Looks like the feds chipped in. From the limited research I've done, it looks like the feds, the city of port Arthur, and the navigation district all chipped in on the project. Hope this helps. http://countyprogress.zacpubs.com/news-reviews-14/

This is very informational

https://lacoast.gov/reports/static/HILCP_3.pdf

its from 1997, but still very comprehensive. I found a lot of answers to questions asked here within this report. It certainly explains the differences between B.L. and Sabine....truly apples and oranges hydrlogicaly spreaking.

A quote from the study that was eye opening to me.
Construction of the GIWW significantly altered regional hydrology by connecting the
two major ship channels. Prior to the construction of the GIWW, the Calcasieu and Sabine
estuaries were mostly distinct and were more influenced by the Calcasieu and Sabine rivers,
respectively. The Gum Cove Ridge once separated the Sabine Basin from the Calcasieu
Basin, with little water exchange between the basins. A combination of events dramatically
altered the hydrology of what was once the separate Calcasieu and Sabine basins, merging
them into the present-day Calcasieu-Sabine Basin. Removing the mouth bars and deepening
the CSC and the Sabine-Neches channels, as well as the GIWW and interior canals bisecting
the Gum Cove Ridge (Figure 25), made the region hydrologically indistinct, which caused
water flow and salinity patterns of one basin to profoundly affect those patterns of the other
basin. In addition to effectively combining the two basins, the GIWW cut off all of the
natural bayous and upland sheet flow that historically affected marshes, and channelized
more freshwater inflow more directly to the Gulf of Mexico, partially bypassing the marshes.
Table 11 provides a detailed history of hydrologic alterations to the GIWW.

good read, the 3rd paragraph really tells the story of why weirs are needed:

Finally, in 1968 the ship channel was substantially widened again to
400 ft and dredged to its current depth of 40 ft (Figure 27; Waldon 1996). Prior to the initial dredging of the CSC, there was a 3.5-ft-deep shoal at the mouth of the Calcasieu River (War Department 1897). This natural bar acted as a constriction, minimizing saltwater and tidal
inflow into the basin. Removal of the channel mouth bar, coupled with subsequent widening and deepening of the CSC, allowed increased saltwater and tidal intrusion into the estuary, resulting in catastrophic marsh loss, tidal export of vast quantities of organic marsh substrate,
and an overall shift to more saline habitats in the region (USDA 1994). In addition, the CSC permits the upriver flow of denser, more saline water as a saltwater wedge. In 1968, the USACE completed construction of the Calcasieu River Saltwater Barrier on the Calcasieu River north of the city of Lake Charles. This barrier minimized the flow of the saltwater
wedge into the upper reaches of the Calcasieu River to protect agricultural water supplies.

Death of the Saw Grass Marsh in the Chenier Plain

Very little biological documentation exists of Chenier Plain habitats prior to the
1930s. However, abundant evidence indicates that the area was substantially fresher thenthan now. Both O’Neil (1949) and a 1951 Soil Conservation Service vegetative type map of Cameron Parish show broad expanses of unbroken saw grass (Cladium jamaicense) marsh (USDA 1951; Figure 30). Saw grass is found in fresh and intermediate marshes and tolerates salinities between 0 and 2 ppt (Penfound and Hathaway 1938). At the time of the 1951survey, saw grass marsh covered approximately 475 mi of Cameron Parish and was the dominant vegetative community. Additional evidence that the Chenier Plain was historically much fresher than it is now includes the following:

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• Cypress trees (Taxodium distichum), with a salinity tolerance of 2 ppt (Chabreck 1972), lined Black Bayou as recently as the 1930s. This is significant because vegetative type maps of 1949, 1968, 1978, and 1988 indicate that much of Black Bayou meandered through brackish marsh, which, due to elevated salinities, could no longer support cypress tree growth (O’Neil 1949; Chabreck et al. 1968; Chabreck and Linscombe 1978, 1988).

• Water from Calcasieu Lake was fresh enough to be used in the irrigation of rice fields in Cameron Parish around 1875-1910 (David Richard, Stream Companies, Inc., personal communication). Water from Calcasieu Lake must have been essentially fresh during this period, because rice is adversely affected by water salinities that exceed 0.6 ppt (Hill 2001).

• In the early 1900s, lower Calcasieu Lake was considered marginal habitat for oysters (Crassostrea virginica) because of the frequency of freshwater and low-salinity events there. Oysters, which inhabit waters within the salinity range of 5-30 ppt (Galtsoff 1964), are now found throughout much of the Calcasieu Lake bottom (USDA 1994).

In contrast to these formerly fresh conditions in Calcasieu Lake, average salinities at fiveCameron Prairie Refuge monitoring stations within Calcasieu Lake ranged from 8.01 to 11.66 ppt during 1994-95. The CSC is undoubtedly the major cause of increased salinity in the Calcasieu Basin.

Area 19 (South end of the Big Lake Mapping Unit):
East-west canals were cut by North American Land Company steam dredges prior to1900, which resulted in breaching of the Calcasieu Lake rim. This area was farmedfor rice; freshwater from inside Calcasieu Lake was used to irrigate rice fields fromaround 1875 until 1910. Saltwater and tidal invasion (salinities up to 30 ppt)associated with the deepening of the CSC in the 1940s, coupled with the loss offreshwater inflow from the Pleistocene terrace due to construction of the GIWW, contributed to marsh loss.

Area 20 (Sweet/Willow Lakes Unit):
This area was a solid marsh until marsh buggies were used in the 1950s to mash down the marsh to create duck ponds. Around 1925-28, the levee encompassing the brinepit in Area 20A broke and saltwater from the brine pit killed much of this freshmarsh. The use of brine pits and the pumping of produced water into adjacentmarshes were abandoned in this area in 1948 when injection wells began to be usedfor brine disposal. There are still about 45 producing oil wells in this area. Erosion of the north bank of the GIWW has resulted in a direct hydrologic connection with both Willow Lake and Sweet Lake. The CWPPRA Sweet Lake/Willow LakeShore Protection Project is addressing this problem. The Coast 2050 Region 4 Regional Planning Team indicated that land loss in this area was due to altered hydrology, flooding, and storms (LCWCRTF/WRCA 1998).

Area 20A (Sweet/Willow Lakes Unit: Section 36):
This area was owned by North American Land and Sweet Lake Land & Oil and leased to Union Oil Company of California at the turn of the century. It was utilizedas a produced-water disposal pit for the oil withdrawn from the Sweet Lake Unit inthe 1920s. It is now about 4 ft deep because of levee deterioration.

Area 21 (Cameron-Creole Watershed Unit):
Loss of the historical saw grass marsh in this area is attributable to saltwater intrusionfrom the CSC in the 1950s. The whole area began dying after cuts were madethrough the Calcasieu River channel mouth bar in the late 1930s and early 1940s. Marsh deterioration occurred through progressive dying of the standing saw grass. When Hurricane Audrey hit in 1957, the saw grass system was alreadydead or dying, and the hurricane’s storm surge cleared away the dead and deteriorated saw grassstands. Much of the saw grass was killed by the discharge of produced water fromlocalized oil wells.
Area 22 (Cameron-Creole Watershed Unit): Saltwater intrusion from the Creole Canal and Calcasieu Lake through the CalcasieuShip Channel killed some of the marsh vegetation, and tidal action eroded the highlyorganic soils in this area.

These findings reveal that, in most areas, a combination of human-induced hydrologic changes, sometimes accompanied by severe storm events, has resulted in virtually all of the habitat changes and land losses in the Calcasieu-Sabine Basin. The hydrologic alteration that has had the most impact is the CSC, a major avenue for saltwater and tidal intrusion, which has caused extremely severe marsh losses. Secondary causes of landscape change include oil- and gas-related activities such as canal construction, incidentalimpoundment, and produced-water discharge; historical natural resource managementpractices that are nolonger employed; agriculture through intentional impoundment of the marsh for wildlife management and cattle grazing; and nutria herbivory and trapping canal

good stuff in there huh DB?

Yessir:)

Wish I could copy the pics of the marsh types converting over the years

http://www.swd.usace.army.mil/Portal...rway,%20TX.pdf


FIdna dredge somemore over here

http://navigationdistrict.org/news/t...ederal-funding

TX got some stroke when it comes to garnering funds. That's a lot of freaking money. LA needs to get on the same tit and get some rock money. I stood on the new rocks in the Sabine channel for 2 hours last night and slung trout till dark. There is big money out there, ya'lls politicians just need to get it

I posted this in another thread, and the thread died, but this was over 50 years ago.

http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/Portal...lcasieuSWB.pdf


The History
In 1946, Congress authorized the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]construct a deep-draft channel in the Calcasieu River from the Gulf of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Mexico to Lake Charles. Millions of cubic yards of material were dredged [/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]from the river so that the waterway would be deep enough to handle[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]ocean-going vessels. Local interests believed a deep-draft channel would[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]significantly improve and increase navigation in this area. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Those local visionaries were right. Since the channel was completed in[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]1953, the Port of Lake Charles has become one of the busiest ports in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]nation. In 1994, the city became America’s 12th largest port. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=1 The Problem[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1[/While the deeper channel brought increased shipping and greater[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]prosperity to the area, it also allowed saltwater from the Gulf to migrate[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]further inland. The intruding saltwater threatened the upper Calcasieu[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]River, which provides water for irrigating the region’s rice fields. The[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]saltwater, which kills many types of vegetation, began to destroy some of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]the sensitive wetlands of the Calcasieu River Basin. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=1]The Solution[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]]To solve the saltwater intrusion problem, in 1962 Congress modified [/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]the existing authorization for the Calcasieu River project to include [/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]construction of a dam upstream of Lake Charles. The structure, commonly[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]referred to as the Calcasieu River Saltwater Barrier, was designed to block[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]the saltwater from traveling north, yet not hinder critical commercial[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]navigation on the river[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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a quote from the kplc story would be who I would start the letter writing campaign to tr to get some rock money.

A group representing the Calcasieu Ship Channel's interests went to Washington, D.C., in February to present justification for the additional funding. The group included representatives of channel users—BG/Trunkline LNG, Citgo, Magnolia LNG, Cameron LNG—as well as the Lake Charles Pilots, the Port of Lake Charles and State Senator Dan "Blade" Morrish. They requested that $11 million be added to the previously budgeted $16.24 million to accomplish the needed dredging.

I'm no hydrologist, but wouldn't rocking the channel slow down shoaling therefore increasing the time between dredging cycles? There has got to be a common sense angle of attack here to get some dam rocks on the channel and stop the erosion

http://www.louisianaspeaks-parishpla...alcasieuSI.doc


A few more good places to ask for rock money!!!!!!

Man, I'm glad someone could find that link. I talked with the people that manage that site and got them to put it up. A year or two ago, you couldn't find the whole report. I needed it for my research, and luckily they were able to put it all back up.

Definitely a good read. I wanted to post this aa few weeks ago, but couldn't find it. All I have is the PDF, which is way too big to post here.

This is the stuff I've been preaching for over a year now.

Yes it would.

That is why a good bit of the channel has been "rocked" in the last 10 years.

I believe the Corp of Engineers would like to rock all the channel, but getting the money is slowing the project.

If you were to rock channel. Would you just leave opening at old jetties?

West cove entrances also to be blocked off leaving just oyster bayou entrance??

That report is great. I cannot see how anyone can say to leave the weirs open 24/7/365 after reading it. I've heard people say to put things back "the way they were originally" and refer to when the weirs weren't in place. There's a lot more than removing the weirs to put the lake back to the way it was. Not that it could even be done, but you guides wouldn't like the lake at all if it were restored to its original shape. The fishing may suck, but that wouldn't mean that the estuary isn't healthy.

From the links I posted above, it is obvious that the navigation of the channel is very important to some folks with very deep pockets, and there are politicians wiling to get involved on issues involving the channel.

It will never be restored to its original state. Too much money moves through that channel.

If it was restored to its historic state, it would not hold trout and reds anymore, except maybe to the extreme south. Everything north would be fresh to intermediate salinities, making it prime bass habitat.

But, that will never happen.

If we got organizied and brought all of our concerns and info to the right people and had a public backing we could get stuff done. I've never heard on the news were state legislators passed a bill or did something because of a thread on a forum. Looks like there are a ton of people all wanting the same thing here. So, let's get organized and have our concerns voiced to the right people.

Who da right people?
Can a potition on line work?
Can we get right people to agree to a potition on line?
What is the most or greatest issue to potition first?

Can we all agree about one thing ?

Well just say I got questions. And I think there has to be a phone number I can call. Or a local place I can go.

I jus like fish and fishing and am tired of being checked to see if I might be braking some rule to make me pay. I just want to fish and not be botherd by regulations put in place to fund big gov.

Bl rant
 

What would you porpoise? Eliminate the WLF and limits? Regulations and enforcement are necessary, along with random stops in order to make sure everyone is following the rules.

I gladly accept people on my boat to check my catch, so long as they take off their boots. If we eliminated regs, enforcement, and random stops the. There would be no kore fish to enjoy because people would take take take...

Just to throw this out there. While not a direct impact on big lake. Another LNG facility has set there sights on calc river. This one on monkey island. I think a main priority at this stage is to levee big lake. The shipping impacts are taking a toll and going to get worse.

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Not sure u serious ???



Dude I fish probably 10xs if not more than you and travel thousands of miles on the water a year and can tell you how many times I have been checked in my life by WL&F on 1 hand

Yep. Well maybe the profile him.


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Thinkin bout putting in for an engineering job there :)

Depends on where u fishin. Anywhere from 210 to LNG u gettin checked. Sometimes more than once. Got checked 3 times one day by same gw.

I can go three times on shore and get checked twice. W u are lucky then or u know people. So jack on someone else.

I bean checked twice in a month by the same guy. In the same town. Give me a brake it's just to get that chance to write a fine. That's all. A hope I don't have a licsens and they can make money to drive around to make more money.

Yes w I am pissed about this subject. And to tell u the truth the next time I'm checked or if I'm around I will walk up to or ride over to them in my boat and record what is going on.

It's all about makeing money with fines. And threw regulations. I have bean around long enough to remember a time with less crap less game wardens etc. and sorry I don't feel the number of fish are greater and proportionate to the number of findable regulations that now exist.


Sorry w and sorry op but this is for real and I'm tired of enforcement around all the time . What I posted still stands. And u can background check that.

:)

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:)

We'll I have been checked on the water maybe 5 times fishing in my life 6-7 at most ...

Only 1 time by coast guard

Now Jared A , on other hand is a GW Magnet

Lmao dude will be only boat on water in 30mph winds pouring down rain with snow flurries and he gets checked

Been checked exactly once in 46 years, fishing with my brother in Grand Isle (Caminada Pass). They didn't even look in the box or board the boat, just a quick look at our fishing licenses. I am almost always fishing with my children though. The time we were checked was one of maybe five times I've been fishing in my whole life without children in tow. I wonder if the GWs avoid doing checks with there are children in the fishing party?

I have never been checked by a GW. Hunting or fishing. And just got checked by the coast guard for the first time a couple weeks ago. Real nice guys.


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If you are fishing inshore where I think you are fishing, everyone gets checked all the time... There is a game warrant camp right there.

I've only been stopped once on BL and they just wanted to see our safety gear.

We were short one life jacket and the GWs actually loaned us a life jacket rather than ticket us. The deal was if we mailed it back in a week then we wouldn't be ticketed.


Nicest GWs I've ever met!!

Been checked 4 times in one day in GI. 2 by CG and 2 by GW. Finally got yellow ticket from CG so didn't have to bother.

I did have a GA sneak up unannounced and walk right in our speckled belly spread while we were still the blind.
I thought that was pretty dumb.

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GW*

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Had the same thing happen teal hunting.