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simplepeddler 04-30-2015 08:27 AM

it's a battle of cultures.............did you guys catch the clip of Geraldo this morning where the black guys is in his face screaming "it's time for white people to care about black people"??

the culture of sagging pants, not working, ammoral people, regradless of color, wants to bring the rest of us DOWN to thier level.

and I am not sure it's their fault, after all we have had a government for years now tell them the cannot make it. they cannot achieve, they cannot overcome.

Class envy and culture wars ...............

Nickt87 04-30-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 751842)
it's a battle of cultures.............did you guys catch the clip of Geraldo this morning where the black guys is in his face screaming "it's time for white people to care about black people"??

the culture of sagging pants, not working, ammoral people, regradless of color, wants to bring the rest of us DOWN to thier level.

and I am not sure it's their fault, after all we have had a government for years now tell them the cannot make it. they cannot achieve, they cannot overcome.

Class envy and culture wars ...............

Not sure I can agree with this being that they get hired for jobs over others bc they help meet minority quotas, they get awarded contracts bc they are minority owned businesses, they get excessive amounts of money to attend college, they get accepted to colleges that their GPA and test Scores should never allow, they can transfer to any school they want bc they are a minority, they get plenty of incentives to become successful and responsible. It is hard to help those who don't want to be helped.

America is here to foster an environment where success/freedom is achievable, America is not responsible for making you successful. It is your family, culture, community, and yourself that should create the want to be successful.

simplepeddler 04-30-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 751841)
This is true.

America owes them some type of course/class on being a normal responsible human. It's not their fault that one day they were running around and climbing trees in their native land and then some white people came and cuffed them and threw them on boats heading back to America. They were then put into fields to farm/work and then all of a sudden they were told you're free go take care of yourself. I guess they kind of do have an excuse to run around like barbaric savages, they are just reverting back to their roots. Maybe some assimilation courses are due.

I highly doubt many would participate, but it is one more thing we owe them.


I disagree somewhat.............

here's where I'm coming from............

What happened to the MLK's..........Medgar Evans and the leaders that did PULL thier people up??

It could be argued that the white man assinated them and pushed them back down.....

but it has also been many many many millions of white men that gave their lives to allow there freedom, to allow them to have a voice, to allow them to prosper.

it's thier own colored leaders that teach them they are "owed" and I am not faulting the now other races that fall in line for the free stuff.

There are way too many good people in all races to keep allowing this to go on.

the revolution should be siezing our moral culture back and not about a black white revolution.

the revolt should be ALL good and honest people taking our country back.

we have moved from morality, to immorality and quickly declining into amorality.......

read "The Prince" to get some insight into just how twisted and individual of class of people can get in thier minds regarding morality.

this country is not in a race war............we are in a morality war and culturual war

simplepeddler 04-30-2015 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 751844)
Not sure I can agree with this being that they get hired for jobs over others bc they help meet minority quotas, they get awarded contracts bc they are minority owned businesses, they get excessive amounts of money to attend college, they get accepted to colleges that their GPA and test Scores should never allow, they can transfer to any school they want bc they are a minority, they get plenty of incentives to become successful and responsible. It is hard to help those who don't want to be helped.


AND this is exactly my point........."little non-caucasion Johnny, you CAN"T do this on your own, so we will give you a priviledge that you did not earn".............and the degradation goes deeper and deeper......

One cut at a time until you bleed all self accomplishment and pride of such out of a group of people

and in the process, control that group of people............so they keep having to come to you for subsistence

ShadMan 04-30-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickt87
Originally Posted by Nickt87 http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/imag...k/viewpost.gif
This is true.

America owes them some type of course/class on being a normal responsible human. It's not their fault that one day they were running around and climbing trees in their native land and then some white people came and cuffed them and threw them on boats heading back to America. They were then put into fields to farm/work and then all of a sudden they were told you're free go take care of yourself. I guess they kind of do have an excuse to run around like barbaric savages, they are just reverting back to their roots. Maybe some assimilation courses are due.

I highly doubt many would participate, but it is one more thing we owe them.

Actually, it was black people that came and cuffed them, or took them as prisoners of war, and sold them to white people.

Nickt87 04-30-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 751847)
AND this is exactly my point........."little non-caucasion Johnny, you CAN"T do this on your own, so we will give you a priviledge that you did not earn".............and the degradation goes deeper and deeper......

One cut at a time until you bleed all self accomplishment and pride of such out of a group of people

and in the process, control that group of people............so they keep having to come to you for subsistence

So by assisting them we are enabling them to become lazy, unproductive, and unsuccessful?

I see/ hear where you're coming from. But we OWE them all that!

Nickt87 04-30-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadMan (Post 751865)
Actually, it was black people that came and cuffed them, or took them as prisoners of war, and sold them to white people.

Sorry, it was the white man's money as motivation.

simplepeddler 04-30-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickt87 (Post 751888)
So by assisting them we are enabling them to become lazy, unproductive, and unsuccessful?

I see/ hear where you're coming from. But we OWE them all that!

We owed their ancestors .........(maybe)
You continue to hear the word "respect" out of many of the mouths protesting.

Ironically, it could be argued, thier ancestors as slaves EARNED more respect than they do as thugs......

Speck Attack 05-01-2015 11:04 AM

And the story continues::

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/fre...ath/index.html

Freddie Gray death ruled homicide; officers charged

MathGeek 05-01-2015 04:51 PM

No Justice, no peace.

The perps have been charged!

lil bubba 05-01-2015 05:19 PM

http://www.fox8live.com/story/289537...ery-a-homicide

So now a dollar general arm robbery ...3 POS THUGS force 2 woman back in store by gunpoint ,,,,rob store,,,,alarm setoff ,,,police confront in rear of store ,,,,kill one 2 get away and now calling it a homocide....because of what happen in baltamore....GET REAL PEOPLE.....They should "the police officers" should be diciplened for not being able to take out all three...You commit an armed robbery you have NO rites....

lil bubba 05-01-2015 05:37 PM

https://youtu.be/o1JOFhfoAD4

MathGeek 05-01-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lil bubba (Post 752113)
http://www.fox8live.com/story/289537...ery-a-homicide

So now a dollar general arm robbery ...3 POS THUGS force 2 woman back in store by gunpoint ,,,,rob store,,,,alarm setoff ,,,police confront in rear of store ,,,,kill one 2 get away and now calling it a homocide....because of what happen in baltamore....GET REAL PEOPLE.....They should "the police officers" should be diciplened for not being able to take out all three...You commit an armed robbery you have NO rites....

Should you have rights when you arrest a citizen without probable cause and he dies in custody?

By all means the police should use their powers to stop the looting and rioting.

But the prosecutors should also use their powers to put a damper on unwarranted arrests and abuse/neglect of citizens in custody.

lil bubba 05-01-2015 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 752115)
Should you have rights when you arrest a citizen without probable cause and he dies in custody?

By all means the police should use their powers to stop the looting and rioting.

But the prosecutors should also use their powers to put a damper on unwarranted arrests and abuse/neglect of citizens in custody.

Armed robbery in New Orleans....Gun next to POS shot to death .....Women forced back into store....2 got away....Also armed....It says homicide because of the recent happenings .....BULL****....The only thing wrong with this senerio is Orleans parish deputies need to learn how to shoot better so all 3 would be a non threat to the community now...It was earlier asked if it could be possible here....When you get on tv saying an ARMED ROBBER FORCES WOMEN BACK INTO STORE AND IS SHOT EXITING WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND THEY ARE STARTING A BUNCH OF ****.....WAKE UP....

MathGeek 05-01-2015 05:57 PM

The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Violators are criminals and need to be punished.

Goooh 05-01-2015 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lil bubba (Post 752117)
Armed robbery in New Orleans....Gun next to POS shot to death .....Women forced back into store....2 got away....Also armed....It says homicide because of the recent happenings .....BULL****....The only thing wrong with this senerio is Orleans parish deputies need to learn how to shoot better so all 3 would be a non threat to the community now...It was earlier asked if it could be possible here....When you get on tv saying an ARMED ROBBER FORCES WOMEN BACK INTO STORE AND IS SHOT EXITING WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND THEY ARE STARTING A BUNCH OF ****.....WAKE UP....


Is homicide a crime as described by law, or is homicide inclusive of all killings of humans by another human?

Can't a killing be classified as homicide even if it was self defense? The trial will determine if it was or wasn't a criminal act on the LEO's part. He hasn't been convicted, this was just the coroner's determination. He didn't die of a stroke or suicide.

lil bubba 05-01-2015 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 752120)
Is homicide a crime as described by law, or is homicide inclusive of all killings of humans by another human?

Can't a killing be classified as homicide even if it was self defense? The trial will determine if it was or wasn't a criminal act on the LEO's part. He hasn't been convicted, this was just the coroner's determination. He didn't die of a stroke or suicide.

BUT seeing how they do not have ALL evidence why advertise such a thing....It will be taken as another police murder with **** going on up north starting here...Sorry but the fact is they put weapons to people and demanded they go back in store to rob them,,,,That is FACT....As for me you do that and get shot by police trying to escape you took your chance and loss.....case closed....

Goooh 05-01-2015 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lil bubba (Post 752125)
BUT seeing how they do not have ALL evidence why advertise such a thing....It will be taken as another police murder with **** going on up north starting here...Sorry but the fact is they put weapons to people and demanded they go back in store to rob them,,,,That is FACT....As for me you do that and get shot by police trying to escape you took your chance and loss.....case closed....


What?

So what was the coroner supposed to call it? They posted the coroner's findings, and he found that the victim was shot and killed. Guess he could have called it lead poisoning?

MathGeek 05-01-2015 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lil bubba (Post 752125)
BUT seeing how they do not have ALL evidence why advertise such a thing....It will be taken as another police murder with **** going on up north starting here...Sorry but the fact is they put weapons to people and demanded they go back in store to rob them,,,,That is FACT....As for me you do that and get shot by police trying to escape you took your chance and loss.....case closed....

Got a link to the story or something? I'm lost on what you are talking about. What happened? And what do you think the injustice is/was?

lil bubba 05-01-2015 07:36 PM

Three men armed forced the women back into the store so they could rob it....What they didn't know was the alarm company was notified of something wrong and notified police...silent alarm...company calls manager at house after hours....Manager does not respond police notified....They surrond the place and the robbers exit out back...ARMED...In my opinion they are a threat...Evidently the officer saw it the same way....2 got away...
1 is laying on the ground with a gun...This is on fox news 8 new orleans tonite reported by some black woman never seen before stating that it is being classified as a homicide because of what has happened in baltamore and elsewhere up north.....So it seems they are insinuating another police murder happening here in new orleans....I don't know all the definitions of homicide but when I hear it I think of murder like a whole lot of other people and like others were wondering if it could happen here it will just fuel the fire....One thing I do know is buisness owners in and around are well armed and it aint gunna be no cake walk like in yankee land....

MathGeek 05-01-2015 08:07 PM

http://www.fox8live.com/story/289565...olice-shooting

Homicide just means his death was caused by direct human action. There are criminal homicides and justifiable homicides.

There was a gun recovered at the scene, and preliminary indications suggest a good shoot. But there are lots of witnesses to interview and lots of video to review. The police had body cams, so there should be good evidence for a justified shoot, if that is indeed the case.

Even in the case of a good shoot, there will be people trying to twist it into an unrighteous or negligent situation. I trust the good people of Louisiana and the criminal justice system will ignore that nonsense.

simplepeddler 05-01-2015 08:29 PM

..........Megan Kelly interviewing a Baltimore cop that works with the six cops being charged........apparantly Freddie was a well know informant for the department........which would answer the question on why he was arrested so many times and convicted so little.

Freddie ran from the at very corner he had been arrested many times for selling narcotics.....unprovoked flight is the terminology used ........cops are taught to give chase to unprovoked flight .........now that we learn they new him.........it starts to make some sense

MathGeek 05-01-2015 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 751649)
If confirmed, this would certainly be an interesting development, but it is not completely exculpatory regarding the police actions. Questions yet to be answered:

1. What was the reasonable suspicion for the original detention? The police have yet to articulate a specific crime he was suspected of that day. Courts have consistently ruled that suspicion of unspecified "criminal activity" is insufficient to detain a suspect. Police need to show that the original detention was legal and justified.

2. Was the "spring assisted" knife really a switchblade as defined by applicable laws? The arrest on this charge needs to be justified.

3. Why wasn't Gray secured with a seatbelt in the police van per protocol? Did failure to secure Gray in a seatbelt contribute to his injury?

4. Why were police so slow in calling for medical assistance?

5. Was Gray intentionally taken for a "rough ride" in the police transport in order to "teach him a lesson"? Even had there been a pre-existing neck injury related to the surgery, failure to properly restrain Gray in the van and intentionally making the ride rough would make the government employees involved culpable.

Even a citizen who has recently had neck surgery and should be resting at home has civil and constitutional rights not to be abused by police. Autopsy results should be able to determine how much force was applied to cause the neck injury. Hopefully, there are high quality CT scans available for review by outside experts.

The prosecutor has spoken, “The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law.”

B-Stealth 05-01-2015 08:44 PM

Long Shot
 
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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 752143)
..........Megan Kelly interviewing a Baltimore cop that works with the six cops being charged........apparantly Freddie was a well know informant for the department........which would answer the question on why he was arrested so many times and convicted so little.

Freddie ran from the at very corner he had been arrested many times for selling narcotics.....unprovoked flight is the terminology used ........cops are taught to give chase to unprovoked flight .........now that we learn they new him.........it starts to make some sense

So he was a well known informant.... I wonder if his injuries could have been caused or exasperated by another passenger?

simplepeddler 05-01-2015 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Stealth (Post 752150)
So he was a well known informant.... I wonder if his injuries could have been caused or exasperated by another passenger?


now that is interesting.......

I just remember Starsky and Hutch "arresting" Huggie Bear all the time .......to make it look like he was a small time wannabe getting arrested and then giving information

Goooh 05-01-2015 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Stealth (Post 752150)
So he was a well known informant.... I wonder if his injuries could have been caused or exasperated by another passenger?


I don't believe there was another passenger in the same compartment as him, it seems like I remember the other fella that was arrested and put in the van said he couldn't see Freddie due to the partition.

simplepeddler 05-01-2015 08:50 PM

The state's attorney in banking her entire career on this

Loneshark 05-01-2015 09:17 PM

The problem like most all of these cases is that he ran. If he would have just had trust in the LEO this would not have happened. I was raised to trust and respect LEO and in turn I have always been shown respect back. Maybe the reason I will never run is because I remember as a kid playing cops and robbers. If you ran after being told to freeze. You got shot!!! LOL. That has stuck to me and if I ever run from the cops. I will expect bullets coming my way.

Now, I don't live in these communities so I don't know what they go through but running / resisting is not the right response.

It's my belief that there are many more good cops than there are bad. I also believe there are a lot more peaceful protesters than looters. The problem is perception and the perception we are given by the media and activist is not good. All the young kids watching this on tv are being conditioned to not trust all LEO's. They are learning that it is okay to talk back to LE, to throw rocks at them, and to resist/run from them.

I pray for this country because I don't think this is going to get better for a long time.

Goooh 05-01-2015 09:34 PM

Be a good citizen, keep your mouth shut and OBEY.

Now that's scary

simplepeddler 05-02-2015 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 752165)
Be a good citizen, keep your mouth shut and OBEY.

Now that's scary


OR loot and destroy........at will, with the mayor's permission.......not that is scary......

iron man 05-02-2015 09:02 AM

they had a white cop kill a black man here in town by the base. Our CO, XO, CMC and the command duty officer has made the walmart where it happened off limits. 2 sailors were already assaulted for wearing their uniform to this walmart this morning.

Like the new planet of the apes movie in baltimore.

About to be here too. bases around here are probably going to go to Force protection 2 modified

Dogface 05-02-2015 01:18 PM

These riots fit right into Obamas agenda. Have more riots, declare a military state and he gets to stay in as president past his 2nd term limits. Dont put anything past him!!

Goooh 05-02-2015 01:26 PM

^^ doubt it ^^

If he wanted to do that he has many other ways besides some little riot and bicycle cops killing a repeat offender. C'mon man

Dogface 05-02-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 752223)
^^ doubt it ^^

If he wanted to do that he has many other ways besides some little riot and bicycle cops killing a repeat offender. C'mon man

I just hope he doesn't do it at all. I don't know about the other ways to do it. Also, I don't think you would call them little riots if it was your building or truck burning. Little riots can lead to big riots.

AceArcher 05-02-2015 09:26 PM

Well as a person who recently moved from the Maryland / DC / Baltimore area back here to Louisiana..... all i can say is... Wow... The level of stupidity in some of the commentary on here is incredible.

We all know that these are not race related issues, yet here we have a 10 page diatribe on how the media has continued to manipulate all of america into a further belief that this is ALL about race.

The problems at hand in Baltimore... (as well as others of problems of these types) are systemic to the current state of our country.

This snippet posted by John Angelos (son of Peter Angelos (owner of the baltimore orioles) really sums up why.... WHY these types of issues will continue to happen... more and more and more.

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"Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans."
It's really simple, everyone is so busy playing that ol' shell game of trying to figure out who is to blame.... (black or white) That no one is looking at the real problem, of our politicians continued selling out of our people's future.

You know... you can piss on a hard working man's back all day... and if he is a man... he will find a way to succeed..... but when you take away any hope he has of ever succeeding... well then you do the math......

with all that said... After church, I am going to head out to the Bend tomorrow and if god's willing fill up a cooler with some white perch. And although i don't do to much drinking anymore, i might just have a cold one and toast all of ya'll knuckleheads on here in thought.

MathGeek 05-03-2015 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 752282)
Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

Oh, that this precept would be applied to citizens also.

When government employees are afforded the full extent of due process, but ordinary citzens are not, there is a serious problem.

Receiving a taxpayer funded paycheck should change nothing about the process and standards of evidence required for criminal investigations, charges, and convictions.

MathGeek 05-03-2015 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by simplepeddler (Post 752143)
Freddie ran from the at very corner he had been arrested many times for selling narcotics.....unprovoked flight is the terminology used ........cops are taught to give chase to unprovoked flight .........now that we learn they new him.........it starts to make some sense

And how often do you suppose that government employees admit that they provoked a citizen to flee?

If these government employees knew Freddie, then Freddie also knew these government employees. I wonder if Freddie may have reasonably expected (based on past experience) the kinds of mistreatment he ended up receiving?

In this case, he was arrested and falsely imprisoned for a knife that was perfectly legal. How many of his past encounters involved government employees making false claims in order to take him into custody?

In this case, the police failed to follow procedures in how he was transported, and this failure may have cost Freddie his life. In how many past encounters did the police fail to follow proper procedures?

Do you really think this was the first time these government employees failed to follow procedures or exaggerated a legal item or action to take someone into custody on a false pretense? Then how can you claim Freddie was unprovoked in wanting to put some distance between himself and the abusive government employees?

Is "remain still and take it" the only proper response to government abuse of power? Certainly, no one in their right mind advocates the use of force against police, even abusive police. But having firmly decided that the use of force against police is wholly unwise and unreasonable, is gaining some distance and hoping to avoid being abused never a good response? Gaining distance is certainly better than the use of force.


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