I'd rather see(in a hunting scenario) 5 teal get picked up at once than watch someone stand up in blind casting and blowing whistles while ducks are in the general area. 5 teal would take a ribbon dog 5different retrieves making the process 4x longer. Or can you "make" a ribbon dog pick up 5 at a time. 2 banded possibly for shats n giggles.

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I think the main argument in this is Raymond is not calling your dog bad. I'm sure you have a great hunting dog. You keep challenging him to a blind. What you are really challenging him to is a 400yd wild goose chase. By definition a blind is where send a dog on a controlled run a dog to a spot where a bird or bumper is placed and you do it in as few cast as possible. The main purpose is for you and your dog to work together as a team and he listen to you even though sometimes he wants to do different (ie poison bird) and you handle him where you know the bird is.

With all that being said again since I see you are very sensitive when it comes to your dog, I'm not downplaying your dog and I see you have AMEN's from the choir that your dog can hunt your marsh very well. All I'm saying is if you challenge somebody to a 10K blind make sure you fully understand what a blind is.

I'm prettys sure some ppl don't understand how far 400 yards is either.

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400 yards is out there!!!! 400 yard blind through catails and sea cane with only 1 cast.....

Is this even possible?

I got 10k for the first one to throw a rock 400 yards!

I do not think it is...

I want in on this

"I shoot deer at 400 yards all the time. Shot a spike that musta been 8 years old wasn't a tooth in his head on the pipeline coming out that there pine thicket and its an easy 450 yards, don't need none of them fancy rangefinders to tell me what 400 yards is, just gotta put that 30 aught 6 3" high and it'll roll em up son"

- signed Allen, Winn, and Union Parish piney woods hunters

lmao

very possible

I explained my blind very well, its not what they call a blind in the pro"s

D you gonna put a show on for em baw!!

Film it next time to clear the air and show everybody.

Then it's not a blind lol

A ducks a duck. A spades a spade. What you call a blind is in no way in any dog terminology in any country, a blind. What you call a blind is a "hunt em up" in the dog world. Which occurs when the dog is put down wind of a specific area where the bird fell and is told to hunt it up. This is done as a last resort if the bird went down in a very thick area that obstructed the acutal view of fall or the bird was crippled and the exact location of the bird is unknown. Usually doesn't get much bigger than 100'x100' area. You my friend have a dog that "hunts em up" over a 1/4 square mile.

I call myself a genius, because I don't defecate on myself all day and walk in circles.

Create your own standard and vocabulary. I like it, eventhough there are registered rules, qualifications and standards that are already in place.

How the farque do some of these people even know how to use computers?

Amen Brother!

I thought a blind was a blind

A bird a dog doesn't mark aka see fall .

It was posted before that a blind from a reputable dog training standpoint was to send em on blind and try to have the least amount of cast nescecarry.

If deadly Ds dog can be sent on on one cast which the only cast he needs to get a honorable retrieve. That's probably gonna be the least out of the two dogs

Raymond is a very credible dog trainer I'm not trying to take anything from him but he learns from expierience.

Deadly D seems pretty darn expierienced as well.


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Hence, this is where the term rock dog probably came from....... Throw them in the vacinity until the dog winds it....

It's now obvious you have no clue what a blind is also.:(

They are two completely different types of hunting dog styles of retreiving. While they both work. One is very disciplined and directed like a trained fighter with strict rules. While the other is more freestyle kinda like a bad *** street fighter.

I can assure you if you run them on a real blind (field trial) type. The rock dog, no matter how great he may be doesn't stand a chance.

But the field trial dog will prolly not bring back 4 ducks at a time. So each dog will do well in its normal discipline.

Just sayin. Not knocking either. I would gladly hunt either.

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Let's try this for the 8th time. If the dog is sent out and runs all over god's creation, checkin every corner of the marsh until it SOB's (stumbles on bird), it's not a Blind. If the dog miraculously lines up perfectly in the direction the handler wants it to go, then punches out 400 yds in a straight line to the bird, fighting factors without any casts, then he's wasting a lot of god given talent by just hunting him and needs to enter him in an All-Age stake immediately.

Not gonna lie, my next dog will not be considered a rock dog, unless there is absolutely no hope for him. Haven't seen any of Raymond's dogs, but I have seen Braquet's and its pretty nice watching a dog work like that.
I can see where it has become a hobby for most of y'all on this thread.
And I'm tired of getting every duck dropped in my pond, and every cripple that falls in the jungle on the back of my pond.

I was thinking the exact same thing!!! That is a hell of a dog!!!

Seriously, I have a dog I payed 50 dollars for. He uses hand signals and if he's confused a rock. He got 42 ducks this weekend every bird I shot I through three rocks the entire time. If you can't handle that. Go to labor ready and get a smuck for ten doolars an hour. Cheaper then spending 15 grand on a dog. If you think your gonna impress anybody by paying that much money for a dog. It better be able to look up shooting times on the internet, and as for those 400 yard retrieves . Learn how to shoot.

Ok big shots yall talk all the crap. I will cast my dog on the line and he will take that line through the obstacles that are in front of him. Not go around this or that and have to blow the whistle every 2 seconds to get put back on line. Now with all yall's talk who is brining there dog in the morning if anyone wants to show up

I'm no big shot, but i fully understand the difficulty of what you are saying your dog can do.

If your dog can actually be cast on a true 400yard blind through all you say, run a straight line and retrieve that bird. You have an extrodinary dog, not a good dog! Thats what makes it sound like you may not be completly truthful about the whole deal....

I would love to see your dog run this blind. I am off on friday, saturday, and sunday, if yall arrange to run these dogs on those days i'll be there to watch.

Is it common for dogs to be able to run 400yard blinds through sea cane and cat tails, with no hand signals or direction from the owners where you are from? Or do you realize you're dog may be a freak of nature?

Why do you think my bet is so high buddy, I know what my dog can do and has done plan and simple. That's why I am tired of hearing "ROCK DOG"

I can understand a little frustration with that from some people. I used to have dogs that I had to throw rocks for. My pup now just turned a year nov.13, she is not trianed by raymond. But she will not be a "rock dog" either.

This is no young dog, he has been hunting for awhile and few different places. He hunts about 80 days out the season, Teal, ducks then specks

D aint the type to talk for the hell of it... If the man says his dog can do it, I believe him

I don't know D, but I'd sure like to meet his dog!!

I can honestly say I've never seen a dog line a 400 yard blind with no whistles. I have to say you have one hell off dog and congrats to you.

Thank you

I have no knowledge of with either of the two different training methods. That being said reading all of this I understand how the ribbon dogs are controlled. The rock dog I'm guessing is at the blind with you, you knock a bird down and then throw a rock in the direction you think it is and he goes for it. If you have a bad throw or shot with the slingshot is there a way to get the dog to disregard that one?

They call a rock dog.... Anything not trained by a "professional"


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That's not true. Anyone can get a training program and properly train their dog.

Properly? Deadly D says his is trained properly but others say no.... ?????


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I'm not sure that's entirely true. I have seen a few dogs trained by non professionals that were very obedient and would respond to the owners command. I think a "rock dog" would be one that doesn't take commands and must be lined up by actually throwing a rock in the direction you want the dog to go. I have hunted with a very good "amateur" trainer and his dog was definitely not a rock dog.

So it's kinda like

My dog was not trained by Raymond. He has been on maybe 4 trainings with Raymond present and he is 4 years old. I did everything else myself with help from him over the phone when I had issues. Till this day I still have issues that need work but I had many holes in my program. My next dog I will follow the program from te beginning to tried to avoid as many of those as possible

same here my dog is capable of way more im the dummy in the relationship lol.

I want a puppy from D's dog