Had weed killed anyone directly ?

"Of particular concern is the presence of cannabis as the sole psychoactive drug in an increasing number of road fatalities and the lack of any structural response to this problem." - Cannabis and driving: a new perspective

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...es_ld50s.shtml

Here is the lethal dose rates of drugs.

This is soooooo easy.
Cannabis stays in urine for up to a month so if someone tokes a week before then gets in a wreck and kills someone. Is it weeds fault ?

Next please tell me how more people are in treatment for weed !

well i will have to agree that weed is safer than alcohol.. i smoked pot for years and not once had any of the same problems or gotten into any kind of situation as i did when i was drunk.

The problem that i think people have with pot is that it is the "gateway" drug. and in a way it is..

I probably wouldnt have eaten those mushrooms that one time if i wasnt so high and had the munchies :smokin:

Clampy
..will we see you on the cover of High Times

Maybe one day. Just maybe.

Hey MG give this a read. Dr. Gupta changed his mind based on science. Why can't you ?

" why I changed my mind on weed "

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health...mind-marijuana

This video and article are on the medical marijuana debate, so citing it as a specific person's opinion regarding non-medical legalization seems dishonest.

The question of should doctor's be allowed to prescribe marijuana for specific medical conditions is much different than should all adults be able to purchase marijuana for recreational uses. I have not stated any view on the medical marijuana issue, only on the issue of legalization for recreational use, which is the Libertarian view and the subject of this thread.

No dr can prescribe while its in schedule 1. They can Only recommend

So current law forbids drs from prescribing the medicine they think a patient needs. Are you for rescheduling of cannabis ?

50% of the US population are in favor of legalizing marijuana, up from 12% ~50 years ago, the current standings of the vote on this thread support that. A federal legalization may be closer than you think.

You can disagree with the legalization, and you can disagree with the viewpoints set forth. Disagreeing with the data is a lot more difficult.

Keep in mind that the majority vote on this thread is for the legalization of marijuana along with federal penalties to be imposed on supplying to minors.

Quite a few statements here have thrown libertarians into the realm of Anarchists, this is a misconception an somewhat of an insult to Libertarians. We are all for mandates where they make "scents", but actively stand in opposition to government intrusion that has no logical reasoning and is implemented solely on the basis of morality and feel good legislation.

The fears set being propagated in a lot of these arguments are as fundamentally sound as the fears put forth in the gun control argument. Gun control activists have never held a gun, or been around a gun, yet they induce fear into those with a similar lack of real life experience in the same exact manner that those who have never felt or experienced the effects of pot...

The continuation of criminalizing a substance that is proven to be less threatening than alcohol is purely based on ignorance. The fact that other countries have decriminalized the substance and have seen only positive results in the form of reduced disease, dependency and crime, as well as the increase in revenue and safety is a testament to how effective the fear mongers and moral "superiors" have been in their attack on a substance they actually have no knowledge of - their so called knowledge is not based on experience, it's based on biased information that they don't care to counter study.

Where is the wisdom we've lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we've lost in information?

420 posts then close the thread. Final statements gentlemen?

It's interesting that this question was asked before on this thread and, along with others, has been conveniently avoided.

Yet, our side of the fence has answered the questions that were sent our way.

The naysayers have had their butts handed to them for almost 20 pages now... Close this bad boy down and make it a sticky, the votes are in!

Nice.

Oh it ain't done till 3 more. Shane on whoever post 421

False, completely.

Read the study again, or open you mind enough to look at all the studies on the subject matter (including those that don't support your opinion) Drug use only increased in the Netherland due to an uptick in drug tourism. Drug use among residents of the netherlands decreased. I have already linked the study substantiating that in the earlier pages of this thread.

so cannabis affects your ability to drive in pretty much the same fashion as booze? okay... great deduction... last I checked no one is pushing an agenda here of let's legalize and let every one drive around while stoned out of their gourd.

I got this. :) reserved for a final thoughts in case this thread is actually shut down.

In my first post, I clearly stated that most federal drug laws are an overreach of federal power, and most drug regulation should be a state issue. Referring to marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug is a reference to federal law.

The intrastate possession and use (recreational or medical) of drugs within Louisiana should be under the authority of the State of Louisiana regulated by the discretion of the Louisiana legislature in accordance with Constitutional due process.

Can the Louisiana legislature reasonably choose to follow the federal lead if it determines that accords with the best available scientific information and the best interests of its citizens? YES.

Can the Louisiana legislature reasonably choose to deviate from the federal lead if it determines that accords with the best available scientific information and the best interests of its citizens? YES, but I hope they give due consideration to the possible retribution from the feds if they do.

It would be quite a stretch to conclude that the majority of Louisiana voters support marijuana legalization from either national surveys or a non-scientific SaltyCajun survey with < 100 responses.

God bless Louisiana.

Can't say it's surprising that you find little merit in your science experiment, with a poll of the typically conservation fishing community here at SaltyCajun.

Generally speaking one should give fair consideration to all forms of results, So that one can further refine their testing method and thereby end in a solution that will have the greatest positive impact.

I'm sure if the numbers had been ones which you were hoping for you would probably be looking at it as a resounding success.

And really all the people here who have not supported your message, are very diverse lot, They have advocated from positions of having previously used, to current use, to having never used. They advocate from positions discussing the benefits of this drug as a medicine, as a tool for adult relaxation, as a boost to economy. They advocated in light of the harms that will be removed with legalization like reduction in the powerbase of organized crime / cartels, like less lives being sucked into the criminal world because of a simple mistake on the part of a child. They are Cajuns, Acadien's, Louisianian's (i even think there's a partially sane californian around somewhere) ..... They are American and they are America.

And the exact same thing can be said of those who disagree with legalization.

I'm proud of this discussion, and have faith that the right things will start happening, perhaps a little slower than some would be happiest with, but so be it.

Wait and see never cuts it, by refusing to take action you are then making the decision to support whatever it is that you disagree with.

So why did you put a vote in place?

My Boy Clampy on the cover this month :eek:

Two million registered sex offenders that exist solely because the government passed laws based upon Judeo Christian morality. What is your response to this. If it wasn't illegal they would not be criminals. So it is with all laws.

how many kids have been shot or killed over drug deals???

I'm sorry Clampy but this is funny ah heck!

I know, it's terrible isn't it W... if only we could legalize & regulate it, maybe it wouldn't be so lucrative for drug cartels / organized crime to recruit our youth.

It's really sad so many remain just like yourself and are unwilling to change laws that will actually help reduce drug abuse, while pulling the money out from underneath the cartels / dealers.

now go make a meme indicating that i must smoke weed to be stupid enough to want to legalize...

Go start another thread with that mess you instigator. :)

22 pages is the limit, any more and we run the risk of melting down the ectoplasm in the overdrive protection unit on the salty cajun servers.

That is funny " W" I can't hate on that.

How many people get shot buying beer at the store ? Ok. A few. But not that many.

legalize a drug that has ruined millions on millions of kids lives and lead them to other heavier drugs


My brother started on weed and lead him to other stuff and he will tell you that weed is what got him to try cocaine,meth and what ever the hell else he did....

Do you know the hell he caused my parents for years over this one harmless drug you call "WEED"????

Come sit with my mom for 1 hour and tell her you think weed should be legal...... Let her show you what weed did to our family ? Let her show you the money spent by both dad and mom on my brothers rehabs...


Yes now he is clean but He will stand before anyone of you and tell all of you that WEED is what lead him down the road that almost took his life

If it were legal there would be no value to it. No more need to peddle it on street corners. Hell, you would just have to go in the back yard and grab a bud from the garden next to the tomatoes and cucumbers! :smokin:

Case closed...

:)

Case really closed!

:)

That's really terrible and I'm glad he's better. With 6% of population having a addictive personality is there any chance your bro could have fell into that % ? And do you think if he would have tried coke first he would have stopped right there ?

and then your son or daughter could pick some and bring to a party and smoke till they are high and then here come the QB with some cocaine ...
Hell why not IM HIGH already!!!! My dad grows it in his back yard!!



WINNER :rolleyes:

In all seriousness W ask your brother if he was introduced to other drugs like coke, meth etc... by the dealers he bought his weed from.


Or did he just decide all on his own to "get a new drug"

ps ... where the hell is my meme... dammit!!!!

you can photo shop the picture of the catfish in my picture into a big old joint..... comon man i aint got all day here.

It falls into the people you have around you that bring you down.......


Yes Im sure he could of just been an addict but when he started smoking weed he wanted more and the only way to get more was with the ones who smoked it all the time... So now he is hanging with drug dealers and thugs just to get high and that lead to what
Stealing from his own family for money
Breaking in others homes for money
doing what ever it took to get weed....until he found that weed with cocaine was even better but more money was needed so ....You go on and steal bigger things and soo on


You spend time with mothers and fathers of teens who started on Weed and ask them if you think it should be legal

He could have just wanted a new one. People get like that when sometimes. It's just their personality. It's not one drugs fault or the other. I smoked a cig and drank a beer before weed.

look at your statment that i bolded... if it were legalized and regulated then there would have been no dealers / drug thugs for him to hang with. We have succeeded in regulating sale of alcohol and cigs to underage kids, why do you think we could not do the same with something else?

If it were legalized and regulated... your brother and his family might well have avoided the hell that he put them through.

You can take it a lot of ways. Some people will always be addicts and act that way. It's a small %. That doesn't mean the rest of the world had to suffer because a select few can't keep the wheels on. obviously this hits home for you and I don't wanna argue with you.

You know, good point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We have already went over all this stuff more than enough. No reason to rehash it just to make someone get angry.

But i do seriously hope W makes my meme... I would cherish that stuff if it were half as good as yours Clampy!

I wanted there to be a clear visual indicator at the top of every page that a significant number of those advocating legalization of cannabis in this discussion weren't too concerned with increased access by adolescents and that many were also not going to be content with marijuana, but also advocated legalization of all drugs.

A survey in an internet discussion forum does not reveal the positions of the general population, but it is a useful tool for revealing the positions of participants in the discussion.

It is also notable that in their letter for the actual exercise of legislative power, the forum participant(s) advocating that exercise say nothing about drafting a law for legalization with a lower age limit of 21 to restrict access to adults, nothing about keeping felony penalties for providing access to those under 21, nothing about a blood alcohol limit for drivers (say 5 ng/ml like legislation Washington and Colorado), and nothing about maintaining current restrictions on manufacture, importation, and distribution of other drugs. The actual legislation they are advocating opens the gate without any reasonable boundaries.

Current scientific information about marijuana has been summarized in the AAP policy statement “Marijuana: A Continuing Concern for Pediatricians.” Some of the significant neuropharmacologic, cognitive, behavioral, and somatic consequences of acute and long-term marijuana use are well known and include negative effects on short-term memory, concentration, attention span, motivation, and problem solving, which clearly interfere with learning; adverse effects on coordination, judgment, reaction time, and tracking ability, which contribute substantially to unintentional deaths and injuries among adolescents (especially those associated with motor vehicles); and negative health effects with repeated use similar to effects seen with smoking tobacco. - Legalization of Marijuana: Potential Impact on Youth

Like W stated above, it does have a lot to do with who you hang around with. My dad used to tell me you are who you hang out with through high school and i never realized what he was talking about until many years later..

But to sit here and say that weed made people start other drugs... well what about beer? I didnt try cigarettes until i got drunk! what about fat chicks? I didnt pork my first fatty until i got drunk! (now im a chubby chaser)..

In all seriousness, if it is legal or not, the kids that want to get it are going to get it whether if its from a convenient store or from the dealer down the street.. **** they will get it from the guy at school!

Personally i think everybody is worried to much about pot when you got perscription pills that do more harm than weed!

Open your eyes people? this is a new day and age and people are going to smoke pot whenever and however the hell they want to! and there is nothing you can do about it..
(no im not a stoner anymore due to my responsibilities i have now, but before i grew up you better believe this guy was easing his mind on the reg.)

that video is bogus

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