Security Zones
 

What do y'all think about the new LNG/PPG security zones?
I think that it is an ill-conceived plan by the Coast Guard to show their power. Think about it, if a terrorist wants to attack the LNG plant he could launch RPGs from a truck on the highway. If he wanted to attack the LNG ship he would use a tugboat and a barge not a fishing boat. They don't hijack Cessnas. It's like my nephew in Iraq said, the dumb terrorists are all dead. The ones that are left are very smart. They get young kids to do the dirty work. Just my opinion.

Haven't seen or heard about it. What areas does the new security zone cover?

X2. I was fishing LNG sun. Right up on the fence that sticks out.

New rules will extend the security zone 500 feet from the bank. Effectively ruling out any fishing on the northside of LNG is what it means. With this ruling, they might as well put a gate up.:pissed: Another feel good move by the idiots in Washington when they could profile "Towel Heads" and keep us much safer.

Trunkline LNG basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points, beginning at 30°06′36″ N, 93°17′36″ W, south to a point 30°06′33″ N, 93°17′36″ W, east to a point 30°06′30″ N, 93°17′02″ W, north to a point 30°06′33″ N, 93°17′01″ W, then tracing the shoreline along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(ii)Cameron LNG basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points, beginning at 30°02′33″ N, 093°19′53″ W, east to a point at 30°02′34″ N, 093°19′50″ W, south to a point at 30°02′10″ N, 093°19′52″ W and west to a point at 30°02′10″ N, 93°19′59″ W, then tracing the shoreline along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(iii)PPG Industries basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points: Beginning at 30°13′29″ N, 93°16′34″ W, southwest to a point at 30°13′11″ N, 93°16′51″ W, then proceeding southerly following 100 feet off the shoreline to a point at 30°12′57.2″ N, 93°16′53.2″ W, then east to a point at 30°12′57.2″ N, 93°16′50.6″ W then southerly to a point at 30°12′47.7″ N, 93°16′50.3″ W then west to the shoreline and then following along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(2) The following areas are moving security zones: All waters within the Captain of the Port, Port Arthur zone commencing at U.S. territorial waters and extending channel edge to channel edge on the Calcasieu Channel and shoreline to shoreline on the Calcasieu River, 2 miles ahead and 1 mile astern of certain designated vessels while in transit. Meeting, crossing or overtaking situations are not permitted within the security zone unless specifically authorized by the Captain of the Port. Coast Guard patrol assets will be on scene with flashing blue lights energized when the moving security zones are in effect.
(b)Regulations.(1) Entry into or remaining in a fixed zone described in paragraph (a)(1) of this section is prohibited for all vessels except:
(i) Commercial vessels operating at waterfront facilities within these zones;
(ii) Commercial vessels transiting directly to or from waterfront facilities within these zones;
(iii) Vessels providing direct operational or logistical support to commercial vessels within these zones;
(iv) Vessels operated by the appropriate port authority or by facilities located within these zones; and
(v) Vessels operated by federal, state, county, or municipal agencies.
(2) Entry into or remaining in moving zones described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section is prohibited for all vessels except:
(i) Moored vessels or vessels anchored in a designated anchorage area. A moored or an anchored vessel in a security zone described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section must remain moored or anchored unless it obtains permission from the Captain of the Port to do otherwise;
(ii) Commercial vessels operating at waterfront facilities located within the zone;
(iii) Vessels providing direct operational support to commercial vessels within a moving security zone;
(iv) Vessels operated by federal, state, county, or municipal agencies.
(3) Other persons or vessels requiring entry into security zones described in this section must request permission from the Captain of the Port, Port Arthur or designated representatives.
(4) To request permission as required by these regulations, contact Marine Safety Unit Lake Charles at (337) 491-7800 or the on scene patrol vessel

The moving security zone is the one that should be worrying everyone
2 miles fore and one mile aft of any ship moving up or down the channel. essintialy they are saying if there's a ship in the channel it's against federal law for you to pass it.

Has this been made law yet?
 

If so when does it go into affect.

Same thing happened to Fourchon Beach after 9/11:( Sure was fun times

Are the new rules effective now for LNG? How about for PPG? I fished PPG the other night and had the security guard watching us from our truck. He never said anything though.

It says "2 miles ahead and 1 mile astern of certain designated vessels" and I believe the vessels they are talking about are the LNG ships. I haven't heard anything about bulk cargo, crude or fuels (gasoline, jet or diesel) ships. We have been calling the Coast Guard every time we bring in or ship out butane and propane barges and they are never escorted.

It is pretty stupid though. :shaking: :spineyes: :shaking:

The newspaper article a few days ago, made it sound like the changes are in effect....NOW. But that was not clear in the newspaper.

The article said "Markers" would be put out this Spring or Summer....I don't remember which it said.

For the LNG cannal.......the Zone would come out to about the middle, so you will still be able to fish all the way to the east end. But you can not fish along the north shore withing 500 feet of the LNG plant.

PPG.....would guess the "Zone" would be about the same as for the LNG cannal.

Fines......If you violate this Zone in a fishing boat, the newspaper said it could be up to $ 40,000 fine and some jail time.

If you were in the ship channel on anchor , fishing and a LNG ship is coming towards you....do you now have to leave before the ship get within 2 miles. What if you are fishing along the Washout or 9 mile cut.....do you have to move away from the channel?

Not sure how its handled right now with the LNG ships.

Let's just outlaw fishing. This is bull ****. Is there any meeting on this or we don't have a voice on this ****.

40000 dollar fine. Hahahaha. I like to see them get that from me. U can't get blood from a turnip

The ship security zone has been in effect for years.

Why hasn't anything been posted by the friend's of the sport fisherman; "CCA"???????????

Back in June I tried to fish the east side of LNG and there were 5 coast guard boats there patrolling the canal. They were turning back everybody at the bend of the "L". I don't know if there was a LNG tanker inbound or not but they were busy zooming back and forth guarding the empty canal.

Cause it doesn't affect CCA's dollars so they don't care . One day everyone will learn that it's all about the bottom line w/ CCA

This is old news. I has been in effect just not enforced.

True dat.

You know if the Commandant in Port Arthur would like to do something useful, he could make the area around the Calcasieu point boat launch a No Wake Zone. Some of the tugs that dock by the precious LNG ship run by the boat launch so fast that they rock the dock with their wake. I was told that some of the reason why the LNG issue hasn't been much of a problem in the past is that the bottom has fallen out of the natural gas market. They have not brought in very many ships because there is little profit in it. So why make the security zone enforcement an issue now?

If it wasn't for the CCA there wouldn't be any fish in Calcasieu Lake!!!!!!!!!!!! Ask me how I know

How do u know. Lol

How you know?

How do u know?

back in the day of netting you couldn't buy a trout or a redfish in Calcasieu Lake and CCA got rid of the nets. When I say CCA I mean the dedicated recreational fishermen that spent hours in Baton Rouge, hanging out of helicopters filming illeagal and unattended nets, etc... Without CCA there would be no fish left in that lake. If you believe otherwise you are sadly mistaken.

You just told us to ask you how you knew, so we did. ;)

yeah I know and appreciate the humor it just gets to me when folks who were still in diapers when we were down at the capital fighting for what we have today, say negative things about CCA. They either don't know the history of the organization or don't care. Anyway I am grateful for what has been accomplished so that my sons and theirs have such an awesome estuary to fish in.

I agree!

LOL i was at the capitol and i did fight against the nets and i did agree to the limits as that was the ONLY way we were ever going to get rid of the nets .
But that was then and this is now
Actually when the net fight was going on the group was GCCA. The men that started that group were not worried about the bottom line and star tournements they were worried about my and your kids and grand kids haveing trout and reds to catch.
The CCA as it stands now is trying to rest on the laurels of what those folks did back then. Used to they would fight for the rights of the recreational fisherman.
Now they are in cahoots w/ the big coastal land owners and the politicians.
That's my opinion and the only way it will change is to see changes in the actions of CCA . We will just have to agree to disagree. or not.

Having been one of those early members of GCCA and having served as Lake Charles Chapter president, State president and on the national board I will have to disagree with you because it was exactly politics that got us what we have today. The reality of any conservation effort boils down to politics. As ugly as that is, it is what it is.

I knew that I was poking at a hornets nest but wow, them hornets got horns.

There may be more fish now but my dad and his friends never had trouble catching fish. I think you are going alittle far saying there would be no fish left. Matter of fact after seeing how they handle there business when dealing with the 2 boats my mom won it is hard to believe they can do anything right.