Security Zones

[Gottogo49]

What do y'all think about the new LNG/PPG security zones?
I think that it is an ill-conceived plan by the Coast Guard to show their power. Think about it, if a terrorist wants to attack the LNG plant he could launch RPGs from a truck on the highway. If he wanted to attack the LNG ship he would use a tugboat and a barge not a fishing boat. They don't hijack Cessnas. It's like my nephew in Iraq said, the dumb terrorists are all dead. The ones that are left are very smart. They get young kids to do the dirty work. Just my opinion.

[mcjaredsandwich]

Haven't seen or heard about it. What areas does the new security zone cover?

[longcast]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Haven't seen or heard about it. What areas does the new security zone cover?

X2. I was fishing LNG sun. Right up on the fence that sticks out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Haven't seen or heard about it. What areas does the new security zone cover?

New rules will extend the security zone 500 feet from the bank. Effectively ruling out any fishing on the northside of LNG is what it means. With this ruling, they might as well put a gate up. Another feel good move by the idiots in Washington when they could profile "Towel Heads" and keep us much safer.

[eman]

Trunkline LNG basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points, beginning at 30°06′36″ N, 93°17′36″ W, south to a point 30°06′33″ N, 93°17′36″ W, east to a point 30°06′30″ N, 93°17′02″ W, north to a point 30°06′33″ N, 93°17′01″ W, then tracing the shoreline along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(ii)Cameron LNG basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points, beginning at 30°02′33″ N, 093°19′53″ W, east to a point at 30°02′34″ N, 093°19′50″ W, south to a point at 30°02′10″ N, 093°19′52″ W and west to a point at 30°02′10″ N, 93°19′59″ W, then tracing the shoreline along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(iii)PPG Industries basin. All waters encompassed by a line connecting the following points: Beginning at 30°13′29″ N, 93°16′34″ W, southwest to a point at 30°13′11″ N, 93°16′51″ W, then proceeding southerly following 100 feet off the shoreline to a point at 30°12′57.2″ N, 93°16′53.2″ W, then east to a point at 30°12′57.2″ N, 93°16′50.6″ W then southerly to a point at 30°12′47.7″ N, 93°16′50.3″ W then west to the shoreline and then following along the water's edge to the point of origin.
(2) The following areas are moving security zones: All waters within the Captain of the Port, Port Arthur zone commencing at U.S. territorial waters and extending channel edge to channel edge on the Calcasieu Channel and shoreline to shoreline on the Calcasieu River, 2 miles ahead and 1 mile astern of certain designated vessels while in transit. Meeting, crossing or overtaking situations are not permitted within the security zone unless specifically authorized by the Captain of the Port. Coast Guard patrol assets will be on scene with flashing blue lights energized when the moving security zones are in effect.
(b)Regulations.(1) Entry into or remaining in a fixed zone described in paragraph (a)(1) of this section is prohibited for all vessels except:
(i) Commercial vessels operating at waterfront facilities within these zones;
(ii) Commercial vessels transiting directly to or from waterfront facilities within these zones;
(iii) Vessels providing direct operational or logistical support to commercial vessels within these zones;
(iv) Vessels operated by the appropriate port authority or by facilities located within these zones; and
(v) Vessels operated by federal, state, county, or municipal agencies.
(2) Entry into or remaining in moving zones described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section is prohibited for all vessels except:
(i) Moored vessels or vessels anchored in a designated anchorage area. A moored or an anchored vessel in a security zone described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section must remain moored or anchored unless it obtains permission from the Captain of the Port to do otherwise;
(ii) Commercial vessels operating at waterfront facilities located within the zone;
(iii) Vessels providing direct operational support to commercial vessels within a moving security zone;
(iv) Vessels operated by federal, state, county, or municipal agencies.
(3) Other persons or vessels requiring entry into security zones described in this section must request permission from the Captain of the Port, Port Arthur or designated representatives.
(4) To request permission as required by these regulations, contact Marine Safety Unit Lake Charles at (337) 491-7800 or the on scene patrol vessel

[eman]

The moving security zone is the one that should be worrying everyone
2 miles fore and one mile aft of any ship moving up or down the channel. essintialy they are saying if there's a ship in the channel it's against federal law for you to pass it.

[Will"E"Fish]

If so when does it go into affect.

[Duck Butter]

Same thing happened to Fourchon Beach after 9/11 Sure was fun times

[RickyH]

Are the new rules effective now for LNG? How about for PPG? I fished PPG the other night and had the security guard watching us from our truck. He never said anything though.

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by eman

The moving security zone is the one that should be worrying everyone
2 miles fore and one mile aft of any ship moving up or down the channel. essintialy they are saying if there's a ship in the channel it's against federal law for you to pass it.

It says "2 miles ahead and 1 mile astern of certain designated vessels" and I believe the vessels they are talking about are the LNG ships. I haven't heard anything about bulk cargo, crude or fuels (gasoline, jet or diesel) ships. We have been calling the Coast Guard every time we bring in or ship out butane and propane barges and they are never escorted.

It is pretty stupid though.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by RickyH

Are the new rules effective now for LNG? How about for PPG? I fished PPG the other night and had the security guard watching us from our truck. He never said anything though.

The newspaper article a few days ago, made it sound like the changes are in effect....NOW. But that was not clear in the newspaper.

The article said "Markers" would be put out this Spring or Summer....I don't remember which it said.

For the LNG cannal.......the Zone would come out to about the middle, so you will still be able to fish all the way to the east end. But you can not fish along the north shore withing 500 feet of the LNG plant.

PPG.....would guess the "Zone" would be about the same as for the LNG cannal.

Fines......If you violate this Zone in a fishing boat, the newspaper said it could be up to $ 40,000 fine and some jail time.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by PaulMyers

It says "2 miles ahead and 1 mile astern of certain designated vessels" and I believe the vessels they are talking about are the LNG ships. I haven't heard anything about bulk cargo, crude or fuels (gasoline, jet or diesel) ships. We have been calling the Coast Guard every time we bring in or ship out butane and propane barges and they are never escorted.

It is pretty stupid though.

If you were in the ship channel on anchor , fishing and a LNG ship is coming towards you....do you now have to leave before the ship get within 2 miles. What if you are fishing along the Washout or 9 mile cut.....do you have to move away from the channel?

[PaulMyers]

Not sure how its handled right now with the LNG ships.

[longcast]

Let's just outlaw fishing. This is bull ****. Is there any meeting on this or we don't have a voice on this ****.

[longcast]

40000 dollar fine. Hahahaha. I like to see them get that from me. U can't get blood from a turnip

[Ray]

The ship security zone has been in effect for years.

[Will"E"Fish]

Why hasn't anything been posted by the friend's of the sport fisherman; "CCA"???????????

[Specks-N-Reds]

Back in June I tried to fish the east side of LNG and there were 5 coast guard boats there patrolling the canal. They were turning back everybody at the bend of the "L". I don't know if there was a LNG tanker inbound or not but they were busy zooming back and forth guarding the empty canal.

[eman]

Cause it doesn't affect CCA's dollars so they don't care . One day everyone will learn that it's all about the bottom line w/ CCA

[evis102]

This is old news. I has been in effect just not enforced.