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Jordan 08-27-2013 10:35 AM

Need coyote killin' help
 
Anyone here on Salty Cajun have a coyote call they want to put to good use ?? I have 3 cows that have been attached by coyotes in the past 2 months. One cow has no tail, other has no ears and half a nose and the other one is deceased because the pack decapitated her. Im tired of losing cows and I called a guy that sets traps for them and he charges $50/coyote. Its not a bad price, but I think it would be more fun to get a call and "choot 'em"

Gerald 08-27-2013 10:40 AM

I got several calls......rabbit, fawn and a couple or other calls.

When you want to go?

Bluechip 08-27-2013 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=Jordan;621916]Anyone here on Salty Cajun have a coyote call they want to put to good use ?? I have 3 cows that have been attached by coyotes in the past 2 months. One cow has no tail, other has no ears and half a nose and the other one is deceased because the pack decapitated her. Im tired of losing cows and I called a guy that sets traps for them and he charges $50/coyote. Its not a bad price, but I think it would be more fun to get a call and "choot 'em"[/QUOTE]

I can assure you it is much harder then calling and shooting them. I hunt coyotes occasionally on my deer lease during the off season and it doesn't take long before they get wise to a call..... $50 a coyote vs losing a cow seems like a cheap price to me.

MarshRat89 08-27-2013 10:43 AM

[quote=Bluechip;621919]
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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 621916)
Anyone here on Salty Cajun have a coyote call they want to put to good use ?? I have 3 cows that have been attached by coyotes in the past 2 months. One cow has no tail, other has no ears and half a nose and the other one is deceased because the pack decapitated her. Im tired of losing cows and I called a guy that sets traps for them and he charges $50/coyote. Its not a bad price, but I think it would be more fun to get a call and "choot 'em"[/QUOTE]

I can assure you it is much harder then calling and shooting them. I hunt coyotes occasionally on my deer lease during the off season and it doesn't take long before they get wise to a call..... $50 a coyote vs losing a cow seems like a cheap price to me.

AR .223 don't leave any behind to get wise

3FLa 08-27-2013 10:45 AM

Off Target Advice
 
I think you will get several offers to help reduce your coyote problem. I have cattle also, and the old saying about a mule really works. Put a mule in the pasture with your cattle and coyotes will stay away. It really works. The mule eats the same feed as your cattle whether it be grain and/or hay and/or pasture grass. So there is no additional upkeep/ expense. Stock yards sale this aminals for 100-200 dollars!

meaux fishing 08-27-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CajunMade (Post 621923)
I think you will get several offers to help reduce your coyote problem. I have cattle also, and the old saying about a mule really works. Put a mule in the pasture with your cattle and coyotes will stay away. It really works. The mule eats the same feed as your cattle whether it be grain and/or hay and/or pasture grass. So there is no additional upkeep/ expense. Stock yards sale this aminals for 100-200 dollars!

I was just about to suggest this same thing

MarshRat89 08-27-2013 10:49 AM

I thought it was donkeys they used. I can see how a mule would work also being its half donkey.

Jordan 08-27-2013 10:56 AM

Just got a "spinner call" from cabelas.com

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/produ...ayTab=Customer Reviews

$30. Going to give this a try. Donkey is next. We had a donkey, but a pack of 10+ coyotes killed it. Ran it to death.

meaux fishing 08-27-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 621930)
Just got a "spinner call" from cabelas.com

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/produ...ayTab=Customer Reviews

$30. Going to give this a try. Donkey is next. We had a donkey, but a pack of 10+ coyotes killed it. Ran it to death.

get more donkeys next time....;) j/k . Hope you get it under control

Ragin_Cajun 08-27-2013 11:02 AM

I thought i heard a while back of hanging a sponge that was soaked in bacon grease or other stuff?????? Their stomach cant digest and therefore they run off and die elsewhere. Any truth to that????

Sightwindow 08-27-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 621926)
I thought it was donkeys they used. I can see how a mule would work also being its half donkey.

For future reference, if it's sheep or goats you want guarded, get a female or gelding. Male donkeys will attack the sheep or goats.

But, yeah, coyotes will steer far from any donkey (or mule, I'm pretty sure) in a field or yard.

Spunt Drag 08-27-2013 11:23 AM

I worked with a guy who trapped coyotes all over the country. He said coyotes are just like feral hogs, they have no natural predators and breed frequently. They're actually worse than hogs because they're strictly carnivores. He said to minimize a coyote population, you have to kill or trap 75% of the population for 7 years and if you miss your mark even one year, you go back to square one.

Jcredeur 08-27-2013 11:29 AM

We've had donkeys in our pastures in north la and haven't had any coyote probs. I've also heard that when you shoot one, hang em on a fence post and it keeps others away.

AceArcher 08-27-2013 11:37 AM

Wow, i had no idea coyotes could take down cows. Always thought they were mostly small game predators.

swamp snorkler 08-27-2013 11:40 AM

Try to get your hands on some memory foam mattress. Cut it into 1 1/2" cubes, soak it in bacon grease or old cooking oil, if you have some pig bloos you can put that too, put it in a big pan in the middle of the pasture at night. The coyotes will come eat it, get a stomach blaockage and die. Pick it up in the morning so the birds of prey don't get a hold of it.

Matt G 08-27-2013 12:18 PM

Get a jack.......... Had problems with coy dogs getting my cousins barbados that we were taking care of while he was working out of state. We lost 5 in one month, then put a jack in there and hadn't lost one since. He even went after my brothers collie when he got in the field. Funny as Hell to watch.

MathGeek 08-27-2013 12:37 PM

Always keep a rifle handy.

When I raised sheep and cattle in Ohio, I always had a rifle behind the seat of the truck and riding around with me on the tractor. More than half of the total coyote kill on the farm property were targets of opportunity, and missed opportunities are costly.

Calling, trapping, and snaring can be tricky. They all have their place in an overall management plan, but they take a lot of skill and effectiveness to implement, depending on the season, lay of the land, and available food sources.

Don't bother giving hunting permission to guys who want to preserve coyotes for future hunting or wait for winter until the pelts are in better shape. You need as many coyotes dead ASAP. $50 each is fair. Better to pay for quick results than fart aroud with yahoos who don't really know what they are doing.

If you want to experiment with using recreational hunters and trappers, do it at a time when your animals are not in imminent danger.

But if you start keeping a rifle handy and you spend a lot of time on the property, I bet you'll make a significant contribution to the kill numbers. The coyotes have probably become somewhat accustomed to you and your smell, so they will be slower to bolt when they see, hear, or smell you. Make every shot count.

bgizzle 08-27-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 621916)
Anyone here on Salty Cajun have a coyote call they want to put to good use ?? I have 3 cows that have been attached by coyotes in the past 2 months. One cow has no tail, other has no ears and half a nose and the other one is deceased because the pack decapitated her. Im tired of losing cows and I called a guy that sets traps for them and he charges $50/coyote. Its not a bad price, but I think it would be more fun to get a call and "choot 'em"

I do I gotta see if it still works. Pm me UR number and ill text u when I check it out

tim3516 08-27-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 621916)
Anyone here on Salty Cajun have a coyote call they want to put to good use ?? I have 3 cows that have been attached by coyotes in the past 2 months. One cow has no tail, other has no ears and half a nose and the other one is deceased because the pack decapitated her. Im tired of losing cows and I called a guy that sets traps for them and he charges $50/coyote. Its not a bad price, but I think it would be more fun to get a call and "choot 'em"

Where is the property? I know a guy that's pretty damn good at it that might be interested if its bot to far of a drive.

CajunSteelsetter 08-27-2013 02:17 PM

I'm from DeRidder Jordan. I'm not an expert dog trapper or caller and I'm down in LC now, or I'd offer to set some steel for you for free. Guy up there I know of who is an expert Coyote trapper, Mr Steve Hardy I believe. If you can look him up and he's willing, he's probably going to be one of the best available. You can probably go through the Louisiana Trapper and Alligator Hunters Association to get some help and in contact with him. He's a board member I think. I want to say he's from around Dry Creek area?

Jordan 08-27-2013 02:18 PM

DeRidder, LA

Jordan 08-27-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunSteelsetter (Post 621991)
I'm from DeRidder Jordan. I'm not an expert dog trapper or caller and I'm down in LC now, or I'd offer to set some steel for you for free. Guy up there I know of who is an expert Coyote trapper, Mr Steve Hardy I believe. If you can look him up and he's willing, he's probably going to be one of the best available. You can probably go through the Louisiana Trapper and Alligator Hunters Association to get some help and in contact with him. He's a board member I think. I want to say he's from around Dry Creek area?


This is the guy charging $50/dog...

CajunSteelsetter 08-27-2013 02:38 PM

Oh ok. Well I know he knows a thing or two about trapping dogs. Hope you get the situation under control. I can see that it is a steep price, but then again the fur prices are practically nothing. Hate to hear of good cattle going to waste cause of them things..

cgoods17 08-27-2013 02:39 PM

get your own snares.. set an area with bait, and surround the bait with multiple traps and hide them under leaves/grass...

i have had success with this

Jordan 08-27-2013 03:01 PM

Think im going to try the sponge or mattress doused in bacon grease thing. Gonna get the coyote call out this weekend. Will post up pics of kills.

bmac 08-27-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 622008)
Think im going to try the sponge or mattress doused in bacon grease thing. Gonna get the coyote call out this weekend. Will post up pics of kills.

Isn't this on par with putting out antifreeze for a nuisance animal to drink?

Duck Butter 08-27-2013 03:57 PM

They get about $100 for em in N La, so wonder if he charges to $50 to trap them and then sells them? Great idea if so:grinpimp:

Fun fact:spineyes:

coyotes exhibit compensatory reproduction so if you have a good bit of land with lots of coyotes and wage all out war with them and kill a bunch the next couple years they will reproduce like crazy and sometimes come right back even stronger. If you do this every year you end up hurting yourself, but if you wage war on them every other year you actually do better

AceArcher 08-27-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 622021)
They get about $100 for em in N La, so wonder if he charges to $50 to trap them and then sells them? Great idea if so:grinpimp:

Fun fact:spineyes:

coyotes exhibit compensatory reproduction so if you have a good bit of land with lots of coyotes and wage all out war with them and kill a bunch the next couple years they will reproduce like crazy and sometimes come right back even stronger. If you do this every year you end up hurting yourself, but if you wage war on them every other year you actually do better

Your losing me here duck (not hard to do i know)

But wouldn't a continued effort have better results than a cyclic one? or am i missing something.

Goooh 08-27-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 622023)
Your losing me here duck (not hard to do i know)

But wouldn't a continued effort have better results than a cyclic one? or am i missing something.

Sounds like they will go into a mating frenzy to compensate for the reduction. Best to ease into the extermination so they don't notice the numbers dwindling and go Miley Cyrus on your property.


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Duck Butter 08-27-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 622024)
Sounds like they will go into a mating frenzy to compensate for the reduction. Best to ease into the extermination so they don't notice the numbers dwindling and go Miley Cyrus on your property.


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excellent analogy:rotfl:

Jordan 08-27-2013 04:32 PM

Antifreeze dont do the trick anymore does it ?? If so, i'll do that.... Just kidding. Going to slang some lead this weekend. .270 is gonna be burning 'em down

Andy C 08-27-2013 04:57 PM

Had them bad up here a few years ago. And it's true you got to kill 75% of them a year for 3 years to run them off. Donkey/muels help. Like posted before if you hit them with a light kill them!! They way smart!! Or get a night scope and shoot them off the backporch. Or out of you truck, that's what we finely ended up doing. Hogs a different story !!

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Bluechip 08-27-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 622025)
excellent analogy:rotfl:

Maybe you could use that foam finger that Miley had instead of a mattress.

Slidellkid 08-27-2013 06:37 PM

I wonder if you could bait em up with some meat of some sort and kill three or four in one sitting if they were all bunched up together. I know they used to get on our deer camp gut pile really bad and there would be a bunch of them down there tearing up the carcass'

ironworker 08-27-2013 06:44 PM

tannerite
 
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Originally Posted by Slidellkid (Post 622051)
I wonder if you could bait em up with some meat of some sort and kill three or four in one sitting if they were all bunched up together. I know they used to get on our deer camp gut pile really bad and there would be a bunch of them down there tearing up the carcass'


get about a pound of "tannerite" look it up on youtube.... shot at some before... very nice:smokin:

AceArcher 08-27-2013 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworker (Post 622052)
get about a pound of "tannerite" look it up on youtube.... shot at some before... very nice:smokin:

HAHAHAHA!!!! I can't help but thinking of a Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner on this one...


AceArcher 08-27-2013 06:52 PM

If you do this it so demand's video... not sure about the legality though.. :)

ski 08-27-2013 07:14 PM

Can you use cyanide traps in Louisiana. Knew an old fella that had good luck with em 20-25 years ago.

Andy C 08-27-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworker (Post 622052)
get about a pound of "tannerite" look it up on youtube.... shot at some before... very nice:smokin:

Get the off bran, "shockwave" cheeper got 700lbs of one and 4 lbs. ( my nice and nufue love shooting them) so going to order a lot more cause that's fun to shoot!! and a one lbs.won't do much to anything. They make a 4lbs. That will blow stumps out the ground!!!!

Lil Silver 08-28-2013 06:38 AM

Had a guy told me one time he had a problem with them. He said he used PVC pipe traps. 10" pvc pipe cut about 36" long. Dig hole deep enough to leave 3" sticking up above ground surface, bury pipe at slight angle, 10 degree maybe?? Throw bait like scraps or anything they want in the bottom of the pipe. He said how it works is they will go head first to get to the bait, but the trick is, they will fold their front legs back to get down the pipe. once they are in the pipe, they can't back out of it. He said either choot em while they are in the pipe or pop a cap in their azz when you pull them out. Not sure about the exact dimensions I listed, but might google and find something.

BTW. I've heard before people selling live coyotes to people that run dogs on them in big fenced pens. There used to be one of these pens off Holbrook Park road southeast of DeQuincy. Not sure if they still do that but might be something to look into. ??? $$

Duck Butter 08-28-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Silver (Post 622120)
Had a guy told me one time he had a problem with them. He said he used PVC pipe traps. 10" pvc pipe cut about 36" long. Dig hole deep enough to leave 3" sticking up above ground surface, bury pipe at slight angle, 10 degree maybe?? Throw bait like scraps or anything they want in the bottom of the pipe. He said how it works is they will go head first to get to the bait, but the trick is, they will fold their front legs back to get down the pipe. once they are in the pipe, they can't back out of it. He said either choot em while they are in the pipe or pop a cap in their azz when you pull them out. Not sure about the exact dimensions I listed, but might google and find something.

BTW. I've heard before people selling live coyotes to people that run dogs on them in big fenced pens. There used to be one of these pens off Holbrook Park road southeast of DeQuincy. Not sure if they still do that but might be something to look into. ??? $$

Yep, they will get $100 for a live one in N La (Lincoln Parish). Use em in fox pens for foxhounds training and trials.

CajunSteelsetter 08-28-2013 09:39 AM

Duck Butter is right about the compensatory breeding. You have to stay after them to keep numbers down.

Slidellkid 08-28-2013 09:53 AM

That is a good idea about the pipe trap. I might try to look that up on you tube.

Duck Butter 08-28-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CajunSteelsetter (Post 622196)
Duck Butter is right about the compensatory breeding. You have to stay after them to keep numbers down.

in urban terms compensatory reproduction is like this:

Shuntae gots 5 brothas and sistas and her auntie has 6 chirren as well. On the other side of town La-A (La dash a) gots the same amount of brothas and sistas and auntie too. Shuntae and La-A got beef with one another and they don't hang out in one anothers hood. Well, some outsiders (hunters) come in and start bustin caps up in there and killing Shuntae and La-A's peeps. Shuntae and La-A say aint nobody got time for that and realize their numbers are down and got to roll out on these new folks that are up in their hood. La-A and Shuntae sqaush that beef they had and they start hanging out and they start multiplying.

thats all I got, have to stop there, but you get the gist:rotfl:

Cracker 08-28-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 622206)
in urban terms compensatory reproduction is like this:

Shuntae gots 5 brothas and sistas and her auntie has 6 chirren as well. On the other side of town La-A (La dash a) gots the same amount of brothas and sistas and auntie too. Shuntae and La-A got beef with one another and they don't hang out in one anothers hood. Well, some outsiders (hunters) come in and start bustin caps up in there and killing Shuntae and La-A's peeps. Shuntae and La-A say aint nobody got time for that and realize their numbers are down and got to roll out on these new folks that are up in their hood. La-A and Shuntae sqaush that beef they had and they start hanging out and they start multiplying.

thats all I got, have to stop there, but you get the gist:rotfl:

Excellent analogy:rotfl::smokin:

Jordan 08-28-2013 11:16 AM

lmao.... wow Duck...

jkcckc2002 08-28-2013 12:49 PM

I raise cattle and all I have is some Jenny's ( female donkeys ). the problem withe putting jacks ( males) in the hers is they will kill the calves sometimes. Just wanted to warn you on that. I hunt coyotes for other cattle people that I know. If you still need help let me know and we can get together and hunt them.


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