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meaux fishing 04-22-2014 08:46 PM

Boat problems..need help
 
So my engine, power pole, and jackplate wont work, everything else on the boat gets power and the trim works on the motor, just not from the throttle lever. I started it less than a month ago, so this happened recently. The battery is charged. Sounds like this is some kind of fuse or relay, I just dont know where to look on a boat for that kind of stuff. Any help would be appreciated.

keakar 04-22-2014 09:13 PM

start at the battery and follow the wires until you find a box, that's usually where they branch off accessories with fuses

you better list the boat, engine, and type of power pole for us so someone has a better idea what type of electrical wiring you might have there and can help you.

if you have trouble tracing the wires then start at the power pole and follow those wires back to where they go and you should find a relay, then follow the relay wires to the fuse.

does the motor still run?

budndawn 04-22-2014 09:18 PM

Check for power to the ignition switch and check for power from the switch when its turned on. That will give you an idea if its before the switch or switch itself.

meaux fishing 04-22-2014 09:33 PM

boat is a triton lts with a suzuki 250. motor doesnt even make a sound

Em591991 04-22-2014 09:39 PM

Perko switch not making contact. Take a small piece of copper wire and bypass the switch to troubleshoot.

bay_slayer 04-22-2014 09:40 PM

well since your power pole dont work, you can donate it to me....

Em591991 04-22-2014 09:40 PM

Or loose/corroded neg somewhere

2200blazerbay 04-22-2014 09:41 PM

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My boat has one two post reset/breaker in line for the motor and another for accessories. The breaker wasn't tripping on mine it had corroded the inside and that was my issue. New one was 8 bucks.

bgizzle 04-22-2014 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 683431)
boat is a triton lts with a suzuki 250. motor doesnt even make a sound

Question. How do ya know your battery is charged? Reason I ask is my onboard said mine was charged before and the charger had a bad connection at the fuse and it wasn't really charging. If you have a perko switch that may possibly be an issue. I don't know what u have tried.


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bgizzle 04-22-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2200blazerbay (Post 683440)
My boat has one two post reset/breaker in line for the motor and another for accessories. The breaker wasn't tripping on mine it had corroded the inside and that was my issue. New one was 8 bucks.

I've seen these little bugers cause ppl to scratch their head. But if he is getting power to one thing it shouldn't be that... Right?


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outdoorsman 04-22-2014 09:51 PM

It would appear to me to be a ground issue.

Em591991 04-22-2014 09:53 PM

My next boat, wired/rigged by me and only me. Shotty craftsmanship drives me nuts.

meaux fishing 04-23-2014 12:19 PM

got the jackplate and the pp working, it was the 2 pole breaker. Still have no power to throttle trim switch and key.

Ratdog 04-23-2014 12:53 PM

Are u useing a multimeter. .

.?

If so check fuses track down were power stops.

I had the same thing my eve 50 hp from 1984 has a fuse if it blowers nothing will work.

But the fuse was good I checked with multimeter
It wound up being the connection to the fuse. Corroded under connector .


Result I have wires running all over with easy acces with multimeter

If you don't have one let me know you can pass by I will help you. Take a hbrake from a meat sale and drag her here. I got a rabbit ear hooked up reedy to go for water. Bean working on my boat too. I got ignition switch issues too a gost . But I know where it's at now. Gust need to crimp connectors better .

keakar 04-23-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 683562)
got the jackplate and the pp working, it was the 2 pole breaker. Still have no power to throttle trim switch and key.

that could be as simple as the kill switch lanyard, bypass it and see if that fixes it, if so you just have to get a new one.

sounds like you might have a few problems so "if it were me" and you wanted reliability so nothing fails on the water on you, I would seriously consider rechecking all the electrical connections and replacing all those switches and breakers out so you have no more issues.

when salt water corrosion and rust usually take out one switch or breaker the others arent that far behind before failing as well.

meaux fishing 04-23-2014 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 683569)
Are u useing a multimeter. .



.?



If so check fuses track down were power stops.



I had the same thing my eve 50 hp from 1984 has a fuse if it blowers nothing will work.



But the fuse was good I checked with multimeter

It wound up being the connection to the fuse. Corroded under connector .





Result I have wires running all over with easy acces with multimeter



If you don't have one let me know you can pass by I will help you. Take a hbrake from a meat sale and drag her here. I got a rabbit ear hooked up reedy to go for water. Bean working on my boat too. I got ignition switch issues too a gost . But I know where it's at now. Gust need to crimp connectors better .


I have one thanks for the offer. I'm about to start testing wires after I get some work done

bgizzle 04-23-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keakar (Post 683570)
that could be as simple as the kill switch lanyard, bypass it and see if that fixes it, if so you just have to get a new one.

sounds like you might have a few problems so "if it were me" and you wanted reliability so nothing fails on the water on you, I would seriously consider rechecking all the electrical connections and replacing all those switches and breakers out so you have no more issues.

when salt water corrosion and rust usually take out one switch or breaker the others arent that far behind before failing as well.

If he has NO power it shouldn't be a kill switch. Maybe a ground for the key switch.


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keakar 04-23-2014 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bgizzle (Post 683588)
If he has NO power it shouldn't be a kill switch. Maybe a ground for the key switch.


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good point

PaulMyers 04-23-2014 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 683583)
I have one thanks for the offer. I'm about to start testing wires after I get some work done

Bob, I'll be off Friday. If you don't have it figured out by then I can come help you track it down. Just let me know.

meaux fishing 04-23-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 683675)
Bob, I'll be off Friday. If you don't have it figured out by then I can come help you track it down. Just let me know.

cool thanks... I only got to look at it a few minutes tonight. Im gonna get after it more tomorrow

PaulMyers 04-23-2014 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 683701)
cool thanks... I only got to look at it a few minutes tonight. Im gonna get after it more tomorrow

Just let me know if you need me there.

wishin i was fishin 04-23-2014 10:40 PM

power for the trim comes from the motor. look for a fuse there first. Are you around Lafayette? I will be back in from Houston tomorrow if you need a hand.

bgizzle 04-23-2014 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin (Post 683756)
power for the trim comes from the motor. look for a fuse there first. Are you around Lafayette? I will be back in from Houston tomorrow if you need a hand.

He's not getting power to key switch either tho from what I'm grasping


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fishwater 04-24-2014 12:06 AM

Make sure the wiring harness is plugged into the control box ,could be loose.

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squatcher101 04-24-2014 01:10 AM

hey man take the bolt out of the neg wire hook up on the starter an take it out an use a sand paper or end ggrinder with flappin wheel to shine up around the bolt were the wire hooks up it mite not be getn good contact .happened to me like to drove me crazy

meaux fishing 04-24-2014 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squatcher101 (Post 683767)
hey man take the bolt out of the neg wire hook up on the starter an take it out an use a sand paper or end ggrinder with flappin wheel to shine up around the bolt were the wire hooks up it mite not be getn good contact .happened to me like to drove me crazy


Tried that today. Nothing. I also tested the wire going to the key switch that goes to the ECM it's running 12.8. Tested the perko switch, 12.8v on all posts too

bgizzle 04-24-2014 12:33 PM

Have you checked your grounds?


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bgizzle 04-24-2014 12:43 PM

If you have quick connects from key switch to battery ohm that live on the key switch side. My owners manual has a wiring diagram on the last page that really helps. Key switch could be bad where it switches from no power to power inside the switch. It seems as though it's inside the switch contact bc you have power from battery to switch but not from switch to remote start or power trim


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Ratdog 04-24-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgizzle (Post 683938)
If you have quick connects from key switch to battery ohm that live on the key switch side. My owners manual has a wiring diagram on the last page that really helps. Key switch could be bad where it switches from no power to power inside the switch. It seems as though it's inside the switch contact bc you have power from battery to switch but not from switch to remote start or power trim


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Bad ignition switch.
Yep.

meaux fishing 04-24-2014 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgizzle (Post 683938)
If you have quick connects from key switch to battery ohm that live on the key switch side. My owners manual has a wiring diagram on the last page that really helps. Key switch could be bad where it switches from no power to power inside the switch. It seems as though it's inside the switch contact bc you have power from battery to switch but not from switch to remote start or power trim


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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 684006)
Bad ignition switch.

Yep.

Gonna try to test that and the trim switch tomorrow. My guess is a bad wiring harness, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for an easier solution. Thanks for the ideas so far

bgizzle 04-24-2014 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 684089)
Gonna try to test that and the trim switch tomorrow. My guess is a bad wiring harness, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for an easier solution. Thanks for the ideas so far

Even if it is inside the harness, to eliminate/bypass/isolate the harness is, one by one clip the wire on one side (key switch) then the next side(to battery) and butt connect them together one wire at a time so nothing gets mixed up. Disconnect battery side first so you don't short anything. This way if that's what is you don't have to wait for a harness.


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Elbert Chamblee 04-24-2014 09:58 PM

boat problems
 
My older Yamaha had a fuse on the side of the block near the back of the motor. When it blew due to wires inside the throttle/shift control touching. The motor would run and everything would work. Shut it down and all is dead. No trim and would not turn over. You could jump start to starter and all was good till you shut down.

Ratdog 04-24-2014 10:32 PM

Multi meter that is a insulation tester.

Let me know if you want to test insulation.

bgizzle 04-25-2014 07:26 AM

What kinda motor is this, by the way?


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meaux fishing 04-25-2014 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgizzle (Post 684203)
What kinda motor is this, by the way?


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suzuki 250 4 stroke

bgizzle 04-25-2014 09:35 AM

http://www.suzukioutboardforum.com/s...ey-switch.html


I found this last night. Hope it helps.


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speck-chaser 04-25-2014 10:42 PM

Bobbbb, Are you sure your batteries are charged?????? lol :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

meaux fishing 04-26-2014 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by speck-chaser (Post 684484)
Bobbbb, Are you sure your batteries are charged?????? lol :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


Lmao!!!

jmarine 04-26-2014 12:41 AM

Suzuki's has a white wire that has to be hooked up to a positive side of a batt. and it also has a fuse if it is blown you will not have no trim and also will not turn over

meaux fishing 04-26-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmarine (Post 684505)
Suzuki's has a white wire that has to be hooked up to a positive side of a batt. and it also has a fuse if it is blown you will not have no trim and also will not turn over


Thanks, but I already checked the white wire at both ends, no dice.

jmarine 04-26-2014 03:33 PM

I have seen where the main ground wire on the engine itself was corroded behind the terminal and would not make contact I know it would be a pain but check every ground on engine for corrosion and tightness and also the main wireharness from control box to engine there notorious for broken wires where it is ran threw under the haul

Ratdog 04-26-2014 08:33 PM

Ihave never had a problem last more than a day.


Um new boat!

alphaman 04-27-2014 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratdog (Post 684718)
Ihave never had a problem last more than a day.


Um new boat!

like:cool:

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keakar 04-27-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 684621)
Thanks, but I already checked the white wire at both ends, no dice.

so, just to recap for everyone to be on the same page here, what are your present problems left to fix now that some of your issues you first listed now have been fixed?

keakar 04-29-2014 09:30 PM

any recent news?

did you find the problem?

meaux fishing 04-29-2014 09:49 PM

I'm pretty sure it's got to be a wiring harness. I'm taking it to a shop to diagnose it tomorrow. I haven't had time to mess with it much this week

meaux fishing 04-29-2014 09:49 PM

I will post results when I get it fixed

Ratdog 04-29-2014 11:41 PM

Dang no dog bone.

keakar 04-30-2014 04:05 PM

well good luck with it, hope its not too expensive (but aren't they always :headknocker:)

Ratdog 04-30-2014 08:08 PM

If u dropped it yesterday they should have an idea unless u went to shop o da prop.


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