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BassAssasin 10-13-2014 01:28 PM

This scared me a good bit
 
Did a little bowhunting in St Francisville this weekend. Didnt see a deer. But had a semi close encounter with this guy.

https://vimeo.com/108789739

specktator 10-13-2014 01:46 PM

Woah!! Around where were you hunting?? I have a few pieces of prop I hunt in St Francisville. Someone just sent me a pic of huge bear yesterday not far from where I hunt off Spillman Rd. I haven't heard many reports of them in our area.

BassAssasin 10-13-2014 01:47 PM

Not sure where exactly we were. It was my first time in that area. Was with a guy from Process Pipe on a lease they are on.

Duckaholic 10-13-2014 01:49 PM

Early
 
I think I would have had to get down a bit early! The thought of walking around in the dark with that following me might bother me a bit....:shaking:

BassAssasin 10-13-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Duckaholic (Post 724409)
I think I would have had to get down a bit early! The thought of walking around in the dark with that following me might bother me a bit....:shaking:

i texted the guy I was with and informed him that he would be picking me up at the tree! hahaha I was not about to get down

MarshRat89 10-13-2014 01:58 PM

Seems like sightings are becoming a lot more common

AubreyLaHaye458 10-13-2014 02:08 PM

I saw one last year.


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BassAssasin 10-13-2014 02:20 PM

as the video ends, he was following the trail i walked in on, 20 minutes later he came back down the trail and circled my tree twice before finally leaving. I was nervous but it was really awesome to watch one

MarshRat89 10-13-2014 04:21 PM

I know I got one a big one where I deer hunt too. Aubrey and huntinfool seen the pic of the tracks.

C-Bass2mouth 10-13-2014 04:28 PM

Nope

wishin i was fishin 10-13-2014 04:40 PM

I hunt near St Francisville. We have seen tracks, and one guy saw the bear.

they are getting more common but we still do see them all that much.

fishinpox 10-13-2014 04:45 PM

u like that ASAT leafy suit??

rustyb 10-13-2014 04:47 PM

There are hundreds of bears with tracking collars in the state.

1fastmerc 10-13-2014 05:00 PM

That bear would've heard and smelled me. It would've heard me fill my drawers and then smelled it afterwards. That would end my deer hunting for ever.

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Vermillionaire 10-13-2014 05:18 PM

Isn't there a rubber broad head for these situations?


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SULPHITE 10-13-2014 05:18 PM

shoulda peed on him...mark your territory and dominance...lol

Bdub 10-13-2014 05:43 PM

Nerve racking!

BArmand 10-13-2014 06:47 PM

Your never gonna see any deer if you crap on your stand.

Country Boy 10-13-2014 08:17 PM

Dang!! Yeah the getting seen more and more, had one a few months ago about 1/2 a mile from my house between Arnaudville and carencro


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biglaketiger 10-13-2014 09:32 PM

I work in FT Mcmurray Canada a lot, there was a woman killed on site by a black bear a couple months ago, she was coming out of a port a polly, when they hungry they will be aggressive, also being in that tree isn't as safe as you think, they will climb your tree to see what you are up there, I have a buddy with a video of one climbing his tree during muzzle load season, it came up to his climber, he hollered at it to scare it off and it came back with two more bears and surrounded him before sunset, he stayed in his tree till someone came for him, lol

BuckingFastard 10-14-2014 07:03 AM

cant be scared!! pack a pistol next time! they usually dont want anything to do with you. mid winter it might be more aggressive though since there will be less food for it.

C-Bass2mouth 10-14-2014 07:09 AM

Bear mace to the dome. Heard a story recently of that saving someone in Wyoming I believe. From a grizzly

BuckingFastard 10-14-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass2mouth (Post 724611)
Bear mace to the dome. Heard a story recently of that saving someone in Wyoming I believe. From a grizzly

very true, its the most effective way by far. they run like little babies and id imagine they would never wanna get close to whatever made them burn:pissed:


swampman46 10-14-2014 08:19 AM

I'm not a deer hunter, and I know black bears are illegal to kill, but at what point does a person defend his own life? As someone pointed out, bear spray is the best option i would think. But what if you don't have that? What if you aren't in a tree? :(

BassAssasin 10-14-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 724458)
u like that ASAT leafy suit??

yea, its kept me pretty concealed. help break up that human outline a bit. and it lasts ive had this one 3 years. great for hot weather too

MarshRat89 10-14-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swampman46 (Post 724617)
I'm not a deer hunter, and I know black bears are illegal to kill, but at what point does a person defend his own life? As someone pointed out, bear spray is the best option i would think. But what if you don't have that? What if you aren't in a tree? :(


Had a game warden tell a buddy the other day you probably better off shooting your wife in self defense. And you better be ready for an extensive investigation and lie detector test.


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swampman46 10-14-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 724646)
Had a game warden tell a buddy the other day you probably better off shooting your wife in self defense. And you better be ready for an extensive investigation and lie detector test.


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Amazing world we live in today. You can be more justified killing a human attacker than an animal one. :shaking: If I know the law correctly, a person can refuse a lie detector test during a murder investigation...can the same be said for killing a freakin bear?

MarshRat89 10-14-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by swampman46 (Post 724698)
Amazing world we live in today. You can be more justified killing a human attacker than an animal one. :shaking: If I know the law correctly, a person can refuse a lie detector test during a murder investigation...can the same be said for killing a freakin bear?


Sure that is covered under 5th amendment. If you really were defending yourself you might want to take it though.


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fishinpox 10-14-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BassAssasin (Post 724618)
yea, its kept me pretty concealed. help break up that human outline a bit. and it lasts ive had this one 3 years. great for hot weather too

I've got some ASAT stuff and I like it too. I've got a bunch of Sitka and Kuiu also

Mr T 10-15-2014 08:24 AM

I think they are used to people giving them handouts , rather than planning on attacking. They are not hunted (yet) so don't have much fear of humans. Curious more than hungry.

BuckingFastard 10-15-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BassAssasin (Post 724618)
yea, its kept me pretty concealed. help break up that human outline a bit. and it lasts ive had this one 3 years. great for hot weather too

love mine and ive had it for 3 years. great for hot weather and keeps the bugs off quite a bit.

MarshRat89 10-15-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 724817)
I think they are used to people giving them handouts , rather than planning on attacking. They are not hunted (yet) so don't have much fear of humans. Curious more than hungry.


Doubt we'll see a season on them in our lifetime.


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SHORT SHANK 10-15-2014 01:30 PM

you were probably hunting at the old twin silos if you were hunting with someone from process pipe. I know some of those guys and hunted there a few times myself, Great place!

BassYakR 10-15-2014 01:39 PM

id say if your ever put in the position that you have to kill one in selfdefense... DONT TELL ANYONE! if you try to be nice and report it... youre done!

MattMigues 10-15-2014 02:40 PM

I hunt a little piece of woods down in St. Mary Parish, I have saw a big sow black bear 2 out of 3 hunts. I don't think they'll attack but they intimidate

MarshRat89 10-15-2014 03:26 PM

You hunting with Trent? I heard a lot about that lease.


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mr crab 10-16-2014 06:46 AM

That's an awesome video

MathGeek 10-16-2014 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BassYakR (Post 724863)
id say if your ever put in the position that you have to kill one in selfdefense... DONT TELL ANYONE! if you try to be nice and report it... youre done!

I don't know how this might play out in LA, but prosecutors in other states have been overly zealous in prosecuting trumped up wildlife violations, including cases of self-defense. It's hard to understand why someone would put themselves in this sort of jeopardy by offering up the info needed for these abusive prosecutions.

If one must use force in self-defense against wildlife, it seems to me that the best plan of action would be to quickly leave the area for one's safety because the dangerous animal may not be neutralized and/or may not be alone. Having been diligent to escape and evade after employing deadly force, one probably would only know that the attack was deterred, and may not know if the muzzle blast or hitting the target deterred the attack.

Having an attorney explain these facts to any investigating parties would then be the advisable course of action in the unlikely event that the investigation reaches you. A good attorney will also be essential in declining unscientific investigatory methods (like polygraphs). Investigators are much less likely to threaten you (through an attorney) with prosecution if you exercise your legal rights (through an attorney) to decline a polygraph or intrusive searches.

Duck Butter 10-16-2014 08:39 AM

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Cool video. We will see a season in the next few years if people will stop shooting them. I think some of the dead ones that pop up are from people that get a little scared and shoot them thinking they are going to get them. Many people would have flung an arrow in this situation. Better have some scratch marks though ifyou let it fly
I was down around Weeks Island last week and saw three, first I have seen this year. Used to work in Tensas and saw them quite often, one was even in the bed of my truck eating one of my boots when I came around the corner:grinpimp:

specktator 10-16-2014 08:58 AM

Mike,
Try and find out around where you were if you can, please. I'd like to know where this was just to see how close they are to me.

MathGeek 10-16-2014 09:42 AM

Comments like, "You better have some scratch marks if you let if fly" aptly demonstrate the folly of government employees in applying legitimate self-defense concerns to wildlife they begin to value more than people.

In most states, the threshold for use of force in self-defense (or defense of others) is that a reasonable man would be in fear of death or bodily harm if he failed to act. One need not sustain actual injuries to meet this criterion, and waiting until one has sustained this level of injury before applying force is foolish. However, be warned that overzealous government employees may attempt to shift the burden of proof to the party acting in self-defense or defense of others, especially if there is a perceived need to make an example of someone to dissuade other parties from acting similarly.

One need not be an expert in whether the behavior if a given species is genuinely threatening to be justified in self-defense (or defense of others). Once a "reasonable man" would perceive a threat, the use of force is justified. And the courts have consistently ruled that a "reasonable man" need not have specialized technical knowledge, but only need be acting on beliefs common in the general public.

For example, had the bear in the first video begun to climb the tree with the hunter in it or had there been a child in the truck pictured with the bear on the cab, most reasonable men would conclude that the bear likely was a threat to human life. But many unreasonable, idiotic government employees might insist that experts would not infer a threat from the behavior or that a higher burden of proof is needed regarding the threat.

Duck Butter 10-16-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 725001)
Comments like, "You better have some scratch marks if you let if fly" aptly demonstrate the folly of government employees in applying legitimate self-defense concerns to wildlife they begin to value more than people.

In most states, the threshold for use of force in self-defense (or defense of others) is that a reasonable man would be in fear of death or bodily harm if he failed to act. One need not sustain actual injuries to meet this criterion, and waiting until one has sustained this level of injury before applying force is foolish. However, be warned that overzealous government employees may attempt to shift the burden of proof to the party acting in self-defense or defense of others, especially if there is a perceived need to make an example of someone to dissuade other parties from acting similarly.

One need not be an expert in whether the behavior if a given species is genuinely threatening to be justified in self-defense (or defense of others). Once a "reasonable man" would perceive a threat, the use of force is justified. And the courts have consistently ruled that a "reasonable man" need not have specialized technical knowledge, but only need be acting on beliefs common in the general public.

For example, had the bear in the first video begun to climb the tree with the hunter in it or had there been a child in the truck pictured with the bear on the cab, most reasonable men would conclude that the bear likely was a threat to human life. But many unreasonable, idiotic government employees might insist that experts would not infer a threat from the behavior or that a higher burden of proof is needed regarding the threat.


MG;dr

You have some serious issues with government man, serious issues. Rush and Fox News is warping your brain. How scared are you of ebola?:grinpimp:

#draconiansanctions

MathGeek 10-16-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 725006)
MG;dr

You have some serious issues with government man, serious issues. Rush and Fox News is warping your brain.

In our professional and consulting work, we've personally seen a lot of the excesses. I haven't listened to Rush in years, and how can Fox News warp my brain if I don't even have a TV?

Here's a case of overzealous government employees killing the bears and trying to pin the felony charges on citizens:

http://www.wlos.com/news/features/to...l#.VD_l0PldUSY

The jury found the citizens not guilty of the felony charges, and investigations are ongoing into the officer misconduct.

MathGeek 10-16-2014 11:02 AM

A few more overzealous prosecutions for bear deaths:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local/tr...hotos-1.284173

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-his-backyard/

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/charges...eath-1.1808194

Duck Butter 10-16-2014 11:29 AM

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we are talking about killing a protected animal that is not doing you any harm, not a couple of cases where law enforcement got 'overzealous'. You always tend to find the few outliers of everything. There are many incidents of people killing protected animals in Louisiana for no reason at all (many many black bears, several whooping cranes, several bald eagles, etc.)

Find me two incidents of a Louisiana black bear doing bodily harm to an individual. They tear up feeders and stands and camps occasionally but you are going to be hard pressed to find an incident with a Louisiana black bear harming an actual person. The Tensas population is the highest density of black bears per square mile in the continental US yet no one has been hurt despite thousands of hunters year in and year out in the woods there. Every one I have encountered has hauled tail after we saw one another except for this one which was a very old male and I think he was so old he couldn't see. Got 50 yards and saw me and got on out of there. Several encounters with females with cubs and they were even more skittish of humans

MathGeek 10-16-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 725028)
Find me two incidents of a Louisiana black bear doing bodily harm to an individual.

Perhaps the good citizens of Louisiana are quicker and better shots than the citizens of Florida where black bear attacks on humans have recently increased greatly and are averaging about two per year.

It is easier to believe that Louisiana citizens are better shots than that Louisiana black bears are less of a threat.

I have not had any encounters with bears in LA yet, but I did have a few with bears in CO. They were in garages and yards and frequently very close to children. I wouldn't have blamed a neighbor for a second had he shot a bear that approached his children in the yard while they played on a trampoline.

Bears are large predators. When they fulfill the motive, ability, and opportunity criteria for the use of force, who can blame a reasonable man for using that force. Who wants to be the first LA casualty to a bear?

swampman46 10-16-2014 12:27 PM

Duck, Just because there is no documented incident, doesn't meant the harmful/deadly potential isn't there. That's the problem today-it takes a tragedy to make a change. You may feel differently if it were you up a tree with a bear climbing towards you, or if you were unfortunate enough to have a face-to-face encounter when you least expected it. :) Let's not even think about what would happen if a person encounters a bear with cubs.

Duck Butter 10-16-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by swampman46 (Post 725034)
Duck, Just because there is no documented incident, doesn't meant the harmful/deadly potential isn't there. That's the problem today-it takes a tragedy to make a change. You may feel differently if it were you up a tree with a bear climbing towards you, or if you were unfortunate enough to have a face-to-face encounter when you least expected it. :) Let's not even think about what would happen if a person encounters a bear with cubs.

there is potential for danger every minute of every day. If we all got scared of what COULD happen we would never leave the house:)

You have a much bigger chance of getting hurt just driving to your hunting lease or by falling out of your tree than you have of getting attacked by a bear in Louisiana. Hunters are killed every year in Louisiana by a number of things and very few of them are inflicted by wildlife. When was the last time someone was killed by a wild animal in Louisiana?

for the record, if a bear gets up in the tree with me and acts aggressive, he is getting shot:rotfl: That bear was not being aggressive, only curious.

Duck Butter 10-16-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 725033)
Perhaps the good citizens of Louisiana are quicker and better shots than the citizens of Florida where black bear attacks on humans have recently increased greatly and are averaging about two per year.

It is easier to believe that Louisiana citizens are better shots than that Louisiana black bears are less of a threat.

I have not had any encounters with bears in LA yet, but I did have a few with bears in CO. They were in garages and yards and frequently very close to children. I wouldn't have blamed a neighbor for a second had he shot a bear that approached his children in the yard while they played on a trampoline.

Bears are large predators. When they fulfill the motive, ability, and opportunity criteria for the use of force, who can blame a reasonable man for using that force. Who wants to be the first LA casualty to a bear?


Again - thousands of people go into the woods inthe most densely populated area for bears in the continental US every year and not one scratch from a bear has been reported. You have a better chance of being killed by honeybees or a spider bite or falling out of your tree or getting hit by a 'brush shot' from t-boys 30-30

1fastmerc 10-16-2014 01:58 PM

Wasn't there two bear attacks just recently in the news one being fatal. If I'm not mistaken one or both was in areas that have never had any problems with bears.

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