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Could it happen here?

I would hope we the people wouldn't allow it here.

Riots or police murdering citizens?

Yes


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Explain?

I see the riots........you think that will keep the presumed "murders" down?

Touché


How long will we the people sit on the side lines while citizens get beat down and their rights incrementally taken away by LEO's that think their badge overruns the constitution?

Why does a person, black or white, get his wind pipe crushed, his spinal cord severed and his leg snapped by LEO's?

The riots are a bad reaction, but is anyone surprised?

It will happen here, and I'm surprised it hasn't yet. Don't worry though, it may not be near our neighborhoods for a long time. Not until the LEO's start snapping the necks of kids mud riding on private property or stealing Yetis from carports, then there will be riots close by.

In the case......the police department is predominately black.........so just more black on black crime??

I think we allowed the criminal element to be "cool" and acceptable.......tolerated almost........

these "kids" you mention, they seem to have pretty lengthy raps sheets.

This one example the dude was 25.....is that a kid?

Doubtful, I think each side will only fuel each others indignation and lead to more and more.

LEOs should all have cameras recording on their chests. Shouldn't they be begging for it so they can justify curb stompings and back shootings? Or maybe the instances would stop... Shouldn't they go on strike until something like this is implemented?

I agree with that.........for sure!
It should be the rage of Sharpton and the like to get this done.
BUT, my speculation would think if would support the officers more than then the perpetrators

I was meaning kid as in someone's son, not necessarily the age of the person.

I don't care about the color of the cop, nor do I care about the color of the victim. The victim is a citizen, and the cop is part of an ever growing group of folks on a power trip that fall into a terrible game of Us vs. Them.

What was the victims rap sheet filled with and what was he being stopped for? Don't know, don't care. There is nowhere in my constitution, or the LEO handbook, that says after 13 misdemeanors a citizen can be beat or shot to death when a LEO sees fit.

Haven't we seen on the most recent of cases that the immediate assumptions made are wrong?

So this case, this case is the one the is finally right?

do we really know what happened yet?
Does anyone go back and rap these things up with the facts?
Hell, even the most awful of cases recently we now know the policeman had a tazer dart in his chest.

I just ain't buying the LEO are just gunning down innocent men for reasons of a power trips.

The power trips are by people who have no regard for the law......and do not want to pay for the grimes they have committed.

BR and NO are at some risk for that kind of nonsense, though much less risk I think than in the criminal empowerment zones of the northeast. Lots of business owners and private citizens have guns on their persons, in their cars, and in their businesses. I've even detected long guns ready at hand in a number of businesses in Louisiana.

Exercising RKBA kinda takes the steam out of looting, rioting, and pillaging fairly quickly. It's not that our worst citizens don't have the potential for that kind of nonsense, it's that our best citizens have the means, motive, and opportunity to end it quickly. God Bless Louisiana!

well stated.........there are more "worst" in these areas than "best"........
what creates the worst in people?
Might be another thread.........

Ecclesiaster 8:11

When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people's hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

It's not that our worst citizens don't have the potential for that kind of nonsense, it's that our best citizens have the means, motive, and opportunity to end it quickly. God Bless Louisiana![/QUOTE]


Quote of the year right there!! LIKE BUTTON

I don't understand the mentality of the rioters here: I'm white BUT it in no way offends me nor do I think there is a widespread problem of police brutality against innocent white people when I read about some white trash little dope head with a rap sheet as long as my arm getting beat up, tased or even shot while resisting arrest.

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amaz..._1920x1080.jpg
"In 2012, 123 African-Americans were shot dead by police. ... Same year, 326 whites were killed by police."
— Bill O'Reilly on Monday, December 1st, 2014 in a segment on "The O'Reilly Factor"

If they would shoot a few looters I promise they will stop !!


Open fire

When I was young, drinking, and a union leader during a strike agitating the crowd I still had the sense to leave the area when the police told me "It is time for you to leave here on your own or we will take out of here. You have done enough."

Oh wait the police were there doing their job not watching as the mayor requested.

Unfortunately the mentality of the nation is going down hill fast. It would be interesting to see what would happen if something like that were to happen in this area. A lot of CCP holders here. I do not think we would stand for our cars and property being destroyed like that.

Absolutely it could happen. Sadly enough the people that would take arms to protect their homes and properties would end up in jail before those gorillas in the streets would. And we all know this and would be hesitant to go out and do something about it.

And God forbid one of them assault you and you assault them back when their back is turned to you. We've already seen what people think of that.

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At the end of the day, the guy that tazed the cop was still 8 steps away and fleeing when the cop opened fire on his back.

This happens so often it's sad!

Sucks that resisting arrest or ruffling a LEO's feathers is now punishable by death without a fair trial, and the judge is the cop making the call in the moment.

It would be time to break out the long gun with the nice glass on top. That's why you should have a closet with a good supply of ammo. It could happen here, the body count would be unbearable for the rioting element. I don't care what color you are, you touch my property, you will spring a fatal leak. Don't ask me if anything I own is worth killing for, ask yourself if anything I have is worth dying for!
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Some people are offering a long arrest record as justification for Freddie Gray's death, but at some point, not being in jail with all those arrests points to a failure of the system, and it should be considered whether or not all those arrests were justified if so few led to convictions that he was out on the street. I have not been able to get good info on how many of those arrests led to convictions, but it seems likely that most of them did not, because he was still on the street. Maybe there was poor police work, maybe poor work by the prosecutor, maybe the best defense attorney ever. I expect some cominbination of the above.

There does seem to have been some poor police work on the day Freddie Gray died. What was the probable cause or the articulable suspicion for the initial attempt to detain him in the day he died? Without legal justification for the stop that day, the responsibility of the police goes beyond being slow to call for medical help and errors in their transportation protocols. What was the reason force was used that resulted in the broken neck? Without legal justification for the use of force that day, the police are criminally culpable for the death.

Publicizing a long arrest record without answering the more essential questions seems like a smoke screen to hide the lack of justification for the initial stop the day Freddie Gray died and for the use of force that directly resulted in his death. I think any police department needs to answer these kinds of questions when someone dies in custody.

At the same time, none of this is justification for the rioting, looting, and other criminal activities that some are participating in and claiming a relationship to Gray's death. Leaders in the community should make more concerted efforts to help citizens express and direct their frustrations more productively in ways that would increase police accountability without going beyond the kinds of passive resistance demonstrated by Ghandi and MLK.

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Guess these were the only 3 white cops in the force. Must have had too much coffee since it was 0830...

This guy is snapped up

http://youtu.be/m7TZaLpHJhU

"Video from the city's crime camera system from the morning of April 12 shows a man running down the street, which was the reason why police said officers pursued Gray.

According to the report, police wrote, "(Gray) fled unprovoked upon noticing police presence."

Police caught up to Gray, and even though he was compliant according to their description, police put him on the sidewalk, handcuffed him and searched him, finding a small knife that led to his arrest and his fatal trip in a police transport vehicle.

"They seem to admit that the only basis for the stop was, 'Man looked the officer in the eye and started running,'" said Billy Murphy, an attorney representing the Gray family."

if you break the law, you pretty much give up your rights, especially if you run from the law. our rights were earned by a lot of folks before us and i'm pretty sure they're terribly disappointed in us!

I sure hope you aren't a LEO...

Breaking the law is not a surrender of rights. If I'm speeding, do the cops now have the right to search my car without a warrant? I still have the right to be secure in my papers and possessions.

Know your rights and don't let the police state make you think LEOs supersede the constitution.

Is this the same Goooh???

http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/show...oussard+police

Grenades

Sucks that we let a certain race run rampant all over this country committing barbaric crimes and we do very little to control them in fear of hurting their feelings or the repercussions we will see if we reprimand them.

preach it!

We need to quit listening to all of these excuses for acting like complete idiots and start putting these idiots away. Not a supporter of the death penalty for people that are in custody and unable to harm the public but if you are endangering others with violent crimes, fires, assault, and whatever else all those idiots in Baltimore are doing we need to terminate the problem with extreme action. By extreme action I mean kill them.

They are not protesting, they are committing war on their own land on their own people and property, if you make yourself a public enemy we should treat you like one.

This would be my suspect to answer geek's question on why he was not in jail.

It's likely the local government had given him a break trying to do the right thing.

the cops have admitted they made mistakes. Not trying to hide anything.......(on the surface)........

to the Bill O'Rielly comment that twice as many whites were killed.....it begs the question..........why not rioting for them? they were all justified shootings? Only blacks get to question athority?

this has more to do with class envy and class warfare than "rights" and "justice".........

And we, as the tax payers are told we are racist, homophobe, selfish people if we disagree with the liberal message.

the liberal aggenda of entiltlement is the backbone of this debacle

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how long has this been going on, i haven't heard too much about it except from here and w&j this morning, guess i need to get out from under my rock:eek:

We have two separate arguments going on here - police power and killings, and riots in retaliation.

I don't think anyone is supporting riots, it's a terrible way to get your point across and the people committing those crimes should be handled appropriately.

Awe yea, mow em down!

Start shootin em... good riddance.

100% Agree.

After 23 arrests for serious charges, the ongoing freedom of Freddie Gray was not a "break trying to do the right thing."

Either it demonstrates complete incompetence in the system not being able to make legitimate charges stick and keep a dangerous criminal locked up, OR it demonstrates a system with a propensity of a police department to ARREST suspects who fit a certain profile without real evidence constituting probable cause to justify the arrests and make the charges stick.

If it turns out to be the latter, the Baltimore police have some explaining to do, as a pattern of unjustified arrests would play into a young man's propensity to flee further abuses of law enforcement power.

If it turns out to be the former, I hope Baltimore can find the political will to do the thorough housecleaning necessary to make legitimate charges stick and keep dangerous criminals off the streets after they have been arrested over a dozen times.

I won't deny that the liberal agenda of entitlement is part of the problem. But I think it would be short sighted to neglect careful consideration of the possible abuses of governmental power and incompetence to execute the legal processes designed to keep real criminals off the streets.

You keep writing in wholes.........eluding that ALL cops are killing black people at will..........when in fact a very minute amount relative to all arrest go wrong.......

"only three white cops"

the point I am trying to make is, in the Michael Brown case, the argument to allow the riots targeted not enough black cops on the force.

here we have more black cops than whites and the argument goes another direction.

How are we supposed to give a thug wide hash marks to undertand 'why" he is a thug........no job, wrong color, penis not big enough.........yet you would have very narrow hash marks for a LEO that has a tacer dart imbedded in his chest?

it would seem we want to place the thug above the law, and the LEO enforcment officer not enforce the law.

See how that is going in the wrong direction at an exponential speed?

Please don't misundertand me, this death is horrible, as they all have been.

but the facts in the lastest few cases continue to support LEO........is that a conspiracy? I think not, even racist AG Holder could not make a case in the Michael Brown death.

when the thug community starts to accept that THEY are the mitigating factor in thier own plight we can start to move in one direction.

until then, the cops will be on the winning end of the beating stick.

it's like training a dog, once he realizes you are the boss, you can train.

thanks for the debate

I'm sure you have seen Baltimore's Mayor recently giving "speeches" to the media. If their Mayor is any indication of how their Justice dept is then I'm sure you can figure out the reasoning of why he was still on the streets.

We will disagree here, but I respect where you are coming from.

I have spent more than a few days in the criminal courts, and what I see is a mound of manuevring to allow criminals to go free. When I mention the "right thing" what I am referring to is what I see is the system giving some folks break after break after break. In our area, you see guys with 4 or more DUI's driving around...........keep in mind my grandfather was killed by one of these driver's while he was on his tractor for goodness sake.

Another chance after another chance after another chance........all is does is empower that element of people to continue to game the system.
So while you something that "did not stick" I see an abundance of aquiesence to an acceptble amount of criminal element in these communities.

I would suggest that a person such as this runs from the cops more because he does not want to be inconvienced by the arrest. Maybe he will miss a late night 40 party or a bootie call.

I for one do not take off running when I see LEO.........but I don't have a rap sheet.

This mayor reminds me of Blanco..........in WAY over her head.

I am sure she did not MEAN to say what she said...........but she did...........she caused the first ripple and is responsible for it.

It supports my thoughts again, that you simply cannot tolerate ANY crime.

If you as a person believes that misdermeanors are acceptable, change the laws.........

if it's okay to steal a low amount of personal property in your community, change the law to read........"you can steal all the cell phones you want"

I for one do not want to live in that community

This video has been around a while, but he makes several valid points-but none truer than at the 1:24 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2...e45MD6v6VCcQew

Thugs are thugs. I don't give a crap what color they are. Just as many white thugs out there as black. Lazy, no working, thieving pieces of $hit. Milk the system for everything they can get and live better than most. Our
pu$$yfied society don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and believe everyone is entitled to the same things whether you work or not. Times slowly change and each generation becomes conditioned and accepts what they see and hear as right. Enough of slapping the hand and saying "no-no". Start shooting these terrorist and put and end to it. Make the punishment fit the crime.

The total # of thugs from each race may be near the same but the % of thugs in each race is vastly different.

This is true

They want us to give them everything AND respect them.........

That's a tough mental balance