Trophy Trout SeminAR
 

Did anyone else from here attend the trophy trout seminar at Pack and Paddle last night?

What were your thoughts? I really enjoyed it, also made alot of connections between my own success and tips that were shared.

I was there, now I'm just waiting on the next hurricane to run out fish,lol.
Pretty interesting, now to try it all out.

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I didn't comment on that part since I only have VBay hurricane experience. In Vbay the trout come into the bay after a storm because of a salinity spike. the tidal surge from the hurricane overrides the Atchafalaya and makes the bay way salty.

I heard that lowering the limits was brought up at this event

1st off there is absolutely nothing wrong with our trout population that would require a limit change again !

We need to move it back up to 25 if anything .

So they can take that BS somewhere else !!

I never understood why the state is divided I'm with you on that. The west side should go back to 25 per person

It's only because of money and buying politicians off

no science just cry babies who can't catch 25 per person

yeah, not much time was spent on it though. He gave the history of the trout limits but actually stayed on the topic of big trout 5lb+

They gave many factors for large fish decline,

- overall increase fishing pressure,
-oyster over harvest was brought up as one of the major contributor to downturn. stating the oyster fishermen will completely remove an entire reef.
-weir management
-erosion of the embankment supercut south.

in all they were just one guides opinions and no big debate, there are big fish in the lake and they didnt get big by being stupid.

Lol yes they did. You tryna to say dey got smart fish? Are big crabs and shrimp smart too?

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I was there and enjoyed it. Not sure if I understood correctly on the limit discussion but believe the talk was towards limiting the number of trout over 25" that can be kept per day. Don't think there was an issue with keeping the sizes 12"-24" or at least promote catch and release on the big girls. Personal choice I know...

Also, was brought up how it would be nice to have a "lunker" program where you somehow collect the eggs of the big girls and grow them under captivity later to be redistributed to the waters. Such as Share Lunker program which I believe is done in Texas for bass.

Does anyone know if there's anything else like this (seminars, etc) coming up in LAF area, or how to find out about em? (Could always use some help on how to catch these boogers)

There he go with that science talk again. What a Richard cranium ��. Let's let the guides determine all of the limits,seasons, etc. Surely they know what's best for the health of the estuary. Ever think it may take multiple walks of life's (Biologist, guide, weekend warrior, etc.) input to make an EDUCATED decision? It's either your idea, or its wrong.

If i have to explain it, you will not get it...

So what basis was the 15 trout limit based on ?
Who ?
How ?
What?
Facts ?

I'll wait

I have no idea. I don't know if it should 15 or 1500. Just trying to figure out, again, what makes you the authority on what limits should be. Would like to hear your "science" to back up the 25 fish limit. Is it because you're such a wonderful fisherman that you can catch 25? I guess I'm waiting now.

Trout SPR that is done by WLF says it can support a 25fish limit
The LSU study that I was part of for 6 years also proved lake can support a 25 fish limit
It's all documents

Not 1 document stated by a biologist or WLF said we needed to lower limits to 15

It was 100% political because one guide company along with some deep pocket politician who wants to make Big Lake
" a Trophy Lake"

Dropping to 15 made it a dink fishing lake for sure !!

I am always surprised in how much passion this subject ignites in people.


Who has more knowledge of a fishery?

Govt Authority siting questionable data or people who are on the water daily?

Lets just say the govt does not have a good track record, look at the current red snapper regs.

My opinion is we want the science because it is somewhat non disputable. Then trust the governing authorities to use it to make the right decisions. We all know how that ends up. Data from questionable sources skewed to the wealthy s agendas.

My father-in-law guided duck hunting and speck fishing for over 30 years. He was a hell of a hunter and fisherman. He was very good at catching and killing. Was on the lake and/or in the marsh over 300 days a year. Doesn't know squat about wildlife management.

What say u give it whirl? I'm doin an informal survey of all outdoorsman. At what point do you stop caring about genetics? For some it's deer only. Others let the small squirrels walk. Some only shoot 20lb geese. Some throw back all big fish, well unless der offshore then they keep all the biggest snapper. I know weird huh? Some put the big shrimp back to keep the genetics of da big shrimp. So, where do you folks draw the line? Crab? Oyster? Do you put the big bass back and take home all the big sac-a-lait?

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If it's legal, I keep it.

LMAO!! Best point made on this topic bar none!! Some seem to pick and choose which species are worthy of their release.

Agree

Very good points about everyone keeping the biggest snapper and sacaulait

Those fish should be released like those big bass because them superior genetics!

That's what the bass folk say

LMAO

For sure ... Those bass guys are real sensitive!!

Think you should never keep your limit and let everything over 5lbs go lol

Ok, here we go,

Your first post is questioning the intelligence of the 25"+ fish. It reads as that despite age, size, all trout are of equal intelligence. I do not agree with that statement which warranted my comment. Crab and shrimp intelligence, well, dont care.

Second post starts with genetics, I happen to agree with, genetics is an important factor, but it is not the only factor contributing to the size and age of fish. Regardless of limits there will always be strong opinions in keeping the larger specimens.

Now switching to limits to stay somewhat on topic.

Big lake limits were changed for political reasons, Snapper limits were change due to incorrect data.

I would be really interested in participating and seeing the data you collect. So once you collect this information, what do you plan to do with it?

They will catch them off a bed, ride them around the lake in a livewell all day, hold them through their gills and take some hero shots of all of them together then let them go back at the boat ramp 5 miles from where they caught them:rotfl:

Doubt you will see anything in the Laf area. This was the first time I have ever seen anything like this. It sounded like it was a unique occurrence from the pack and paddle host.

I wonder if the biologists take into account the bigger fishes intelligence when they make the limits. If they so smart they should be unlimited lol

If a fish is intelligent then so is shrimp, crabs, and oysters. U see all of those throw a million eggs into the ecosystem and say good luck and peace out. Creatures with "intelligence" have one or two offspring. They actually raise them and teach them to survive. Dumb things, things with no intelligence, survive by flooding the atmosphere with offspring and hope a couple live. Things like FISH.!!!!

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Lets keep the discussion on the topic of large trout and table the shrimp, crab, and oysters for another discussion.

So by your logic behavioral patterns of 25"+ trout are the same as juvenile trout because they are dumb fish. Correct?

Well we were discussing intelligence. So you wanna switch to behavioral patterns? Obviously 25+" trout will not exhibit the same behavior as a juvenile trout. Whoever's logic that is is severely flawed but it is certainly not mine. Which topic are we going with? Intelligence or behavior? Because the behavior of all creatures changes over time. That does not negate the fact that they are dumb.

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Ok, What drives behavior and the change?

When I reference intelligence, I am speaking of positively reacting to the environment in which they live, not driving a car. I want to make sure you are clear on that point.

Ok I understand if that's your point but that is not intelligence, that is adaptation. The simplest creatures that exist today have adapted to their environment. The ones that haven't are gone.

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I think that's instinct and adaptation not intelligence.

It's hard for me to buy Into that speckle trout genes and genetic BS
Fact is one 10inch female can lay millions of eggs a year and it's all comes down to luck who survived
100xs more predators than freshwater
A trout is lucky to live 3 years old
So a 10lb trout is like a lottery ticket.. It was just lucky to survive all the elements and make it .
The rest is the estuary it lives in to make it big.

X100

Cool, so lets call it instinct and adaptation, not intelligence.

I was feeling we were starting to split hairs over definitions here.

I agree. And that trout has spawned multiple times a year for 5+ years even if genetics were a factor

There has never ( to my knowledge) been any research or study to prove genes or genetics on trout.

Trout adapt to there surrounding and estuary.
That is what makes a trout big or small .

When I fished Lake P all the trout we caught were short and fat like a football ..

Grand Isle all small biggest was 15inchs

Killing a 5lb trout does not hurt the trout population one bit ( it hurts the guys who like to fish for big trout feelings )

A 10inch trout will spawn 8 times a year vs a 5lb trout who might only spawn 2 times a year and the bigger they are the less they spawn .

That sack of eggs off a 10lb Trout vs a 1 lb trout is one has more eggs at spawn than the other ...
Your not going to get any more big trout out of a 10lb spawn vs 1lb spawn
It's just stupid to think you will ...

Pack & Paddle has various seminars, meeting, events, and trips on a variety of topics ranging from Trophy Trout Fishing, Thru Hiking the Appalachian Trail, Sight Fishing Seminar, Tournament Secrets of a Kayak Fisherman, Film Festivals etc...

Go to the P&P website to see a live list of all the events and trips offered.
You can also join the email list and receive the one monthly email that updates you on all the upcoming events and seminars at the shop.

Almost all of those events and seminars are free to the public also!

Why is this so hard to grasp?

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Yes. Fish, deer, crabs , shrimp, hipsters, roundworms, chickens, etc have the same dna when they are born or when they are old (unless exposed to some radiation). If that trout spawned or that buck bred at one year old it put out the same genes as it will if it's a 200" 6 yr old deer or a 10 lb trout.

Cool, I was going to release any big trout I caught, but since it will not hurt the population, then its going in the box.

Now ur on the right page

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