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Ten. Socialization – This is not as big an issue as home schooling opponents make it out to be. The lack of socialization opportunities afforded by regular attendance of brick and mortar schools was not a big hindrance to the life and ministries of Jesus or the Apostles Peter, James, and John. It did not impede the success of Abraham Lincoln or a long list of accomplished Americans including Ansel Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Louisa May Alcott, Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Michelle Kwan, Tim Tebow, Woodrow Wilson, or Laura Ingalls Wilder. Reduced socialization did not obstruct accomplishments of Europeans including Queen Elizabeth II, Ernst Mach, Erwin Schrodinger, C.S. Lewis, and Wolfgang Motzart. Yet, it must be acknowledged that home schooled students in the 21st century have less opportunities to interact with peers than students at brick and mortar schools, and there is a concomitant risk of lower social development.
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How is #2 a weakness? I'm confused on that.

Only one I disagree on is where you have #9. That could severely cripple a student later in life if he has inadequate knowledge in a certain area. That may not apply to you, but that's not to say someone else that is weak in math or English should be teaching their children Trigonometry or how to write a well constructed thesis statement.

I also find it slightly ridiculous to use Jesus, Peter, James, and John as examples of people who were not hindered by the "lack of socialization opportunities". You're going to compare the society of today to that of 2 millennia ago? It's completely different.

Also, Theodore Roosevelt is a rather special case, considering his family chose to home school him for medical reasons, and because they could do it; the Roosevelts were a very wealthy family. He was also an exceptionally bright child.

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I agree with this statement...

Dude Really?
 

Ok I'll take on #1

Soooooo your saying that homeschooling will lower the tax burden?
Lol, get in line behind sever thousand parents who pay for private education before you try that move.

Sure, both private schooling and home schooling lower the tax burden by reducing the total amount that the taxpayers need to contribute to public education. Private schooling, however, is very heavily regulated in Louisiana by the Dept of Education, required standardized testing, and government programs.

Two. No Immunizations Required – Most American school children have their immunizations checked and completed about the time they enroll in school.


You can think of home schooling as a loophole in the immunization requirements of most states. My wife and I have reviewed volumes of data and evidence and concluded that children are better off being immunized against the common childhood diseases for which immunizations are safe and readily available.

The common misperception here is that homeschooling parents need to or actually serve as the primary instructor for all classes and courses. Through middle and high school, most homeschooling parents outsource an increasing amount of coursework to options that are more qualified than they are, especially in math, science, and foreign languages. Of the 24 high school credits needed to graduate, our own children will average about 14 credits earned in a setting taught by a source other than a homeschooling parent.

I am planning for articles in the coming weeks describing some of the best available resources in math and science for homeschooling parents to outsource those courses. Of course, parents of public and private school students may also consider whether some of these options are better than the choices may be a better match for their children than the options at their local schools.

That's a fine opinion. It's up to each parent to consider the relative value of socialization and academic rigor as it pertains to their own children and the brick and mortar schools available in their own district.

Peter and John ended up travelling widely in the Roman world and needing to communicate the gospel to more languages and cultures than will likely ever be encountered by the average Louisiana public school graduate.

Sure. But given the available resources of today, a family need not be wealthy to provide a very high quality home school education to their children. Even outsourcing the majority of our children's coursework, we are spending a small fraction of what Louisiana parents invest in their children's private school education or what taxpayers are paying for each student's public education. We are averaging less than $2k per year per child, and most of that is related to their science projects which are a great experience, but definitely an elective expense.

i liked this site better when all we talked about was fishing.

...and I thought all this was covered already. :(

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This makes more sense now. I see your point, and agree with you on this one.


That's all fine and dandy, but I'm sure those options cost money. What if a parent that thinks, as you do, that the public system isn't adequate, but they don't have the money to send their child to private school, and choose to home school instead? That child is likely to be inadequately educated in the same areas that the parent is inadequately educated or weak because the parent cannot afford to take advantage of those other options.

All you've done is confuse me more on this point, and make your initial point even more pointless. It further proves my point that society was different 2000 years ago when Peter and John were traveling and had to "communicate the gospel to more languages and cultures than will likely ever be encountered by the average Louisiana public school graduate."

How does their evangelization relate to the life of a home school student in 2016? What home school student is traveling to "communicate the gospel" and has to know many different languages to do so?

It's an irrelevant comparison because it has no commonality. Was there even a choice between brick and mortar schools and home schooling 2000 years ago? How do we know what education the apostles had? Was the education system the same as it is today?


Cost was not really my point. The decision of Roosevelt's parents was not made even majorly because of their ability to home school him. He was a very sickly child, and home schooling was the best option. The fact that they were wealthy just made that decision easier.

The decision for Roosevelt to be home schooled was obviously different from the decision for Tim Tebow to be home schooled. Tebow was an exceptional athlete; health was not a problem. In fact, the Tebows' decision to home school was based on the desire to instill Christian values in their children.

My point is, just because a few famous people were home schooled doesn't mean anything. Each person makes that choice for a different reason. They didn't become famous or successful solely because they were home schooled. That is purely anecdotal evidence for why home schooling is successful, but there is no way to prove that they became who they were because of home schooling.

No doubt, they are good examples of home school successes, but I feel we are going to have to agree to disagree as to the significance of home schooling to who these people were. I mean, let's face it, Tebow's fame has little to do with him being home schooled. He was a Heisman Trophy winning Quarterback and 2-time National Champion at the University of Florida. None of that had anything to do with his home schooling, because he wasn't taught how to be a great QB in home school. Hell, he played at a public school.

#1 reason not to home school

Vacation from kids for few hours a day

Boom!

#1 reason not to home school- no need for self validation. For example, you won't feel compelled to drown fishing forums with posts about home schooling.


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Top Ten Weaknesses in Homeschooling
 

Touts homeschooling advantage of not vaccinating, but eats scaleless bottom feeding fish from the outflow of America's taint.


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Touts homeschooling advantage of reducing tax burden, household income comes from teaching at public universities and tax funded research projects.


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Roll call.... Who here attended a public school and considers themself successful? My hand is up.

But do you know the joy of practicing academic rigor? Of going to school for 37 years straight only to die before you get to live? Of educating yourself beyond the point of being able to recognize "ordinary" folks as actual people?

I think not my friend.

Top Ten Weaknesses in Homeschooling
 

This type of fanatical preaching is common amongst ultra religious folks. The thought of people not agreeing with them could never mean they are the ones that are wrong, the obvious answer to them is those that disagree are clearly not as smart or as enlightened. This perception further fuels their desire to educate you and "open your eyes" to their way of thinking, because obviously if you were as smart as they are then you would think the same way... And be accepted into the famed realm of academic, religious, or whatever righteousness they so covet.


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I think this MG fella is one of those trolls

Negatory ghost rider. But I did feel the embarrassment of getting a bloody nose on the playground and the excitement of getting lucky after the homecoming party. I'll take that any day over being able to regurgitate the square root of any number you throw at me. ;)

I agree 100%, MG has either dropped off the deep end, or just now showing his true colors.
I thought MG was a highly educated down to earth guy and I respected him.
Hell I even built and donated materials for him and his kids to build the "Mullet Launcher" because I though that was a really cool project for his kids.

I don't feel like he's the same guy anymore and that's too bad.

You might read that more carefully. This was listed as a disadvantage. Reading comprehension is touted as an advantage.

I attended TH Watins in Lake Charles, Grace King in Metairie, and LSU-BR.

I would be much more favorable toward public schools if they were still as safe, drug free, and porn free and if they had comparable academic rigor as when I attended.

It's been a few years since anyone in our household taught in a public university. Further, all our research projects over the past few years are privately funded. In 2015, 100% of our income was from private consulting. I did consult on one murder case in the NE in 2016, so there was a small check from a state government up there, but this year well over 90% of our income will be from private consulting. We do not actively solicit government research grants - too many rules, too much paperwork, and too slow to pay.

You might try harder to get your facts right.

I wasn't claiming that home schooling was a cause of success, only that the lack of socialization in a home schooling environment did not hinder success. A small number of counter examples is adequate to disprove the often heard claim that home schoolers will be hampered by their lack of socialization.

Home school students can have plenty of socialization opportunities without spending 30-40 hours per week in a public school.

I didn't read all of your posts, had fun trolling you though.

If I'm going to read something that long it's going to be a soft cover. I was homeschooled BTW


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Snapped this picture on the way to work this morning. They obviously weren't home schooled.

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So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

I'm not saying your point about those people is wrong, but find some examples from our current society other than Tebow. The Roosevelts and those others you listed all come from a different society, a different time in our country.

For what it is worth, my wife and I have this very discussion all the time as it pertains to our future children. We have made no decision yet, but given that both of us attended public school and were home schooled, and I attended private school as well, we are considering all options.

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Yes, of course. If you note, the article in the link notes the socialization issue as a disadvantage of home schooling. I am not trying to claim it does not exist, only that it can be overcome by intentional efforts by the parents.

Our home schooled teens average 10-20 hours per week interacting with peers in various social settings including athletics, extracurriculars, college classes, youth groups, etc.

I do feel the home schooling approach were the parents are the primary instructors for 100% of the coursework and the children do not get out of the house much are suboptimal in many ways. Whether or not home schooling achieves its goals is up to the parents.

Parents who feel that their children really need 30-40 hours per week of peer interaction should probably choose a brick and mortar private or public school option, as it would probably be prohibitively difficult for home schooling parents to provide that.

I'll try and insert it again here ... :work:

I'm not really trying to convince anyone, just putting information and viewpoints out there for discussion.

Back in the 1990s I had a fairly negative view of home schooling, similar to the negative views expressed by many here.

My view began to change in 2002 when I took my first faculty job and saw the difference first hand between college students prepared by the public schools and college students prepared by home schooling. My view matured through a series of faculty jobs and family experiences in the public schools which made me painfully aware of how bad public education had really become since I was a student in the 1980s. Some of my faculty experiences are described here:

https://biblicaltheologyofscience.wo...y-of-academia/

Just as I was unconvinced by homeschooling proponents in the 1990s, but later became convinced by things my family experienced first hand, I expect many readers won't be convinced until they begin to see the failures of the present educational system first hand. But when you do, you will have a better context and understand your options better having heard the experiences and viewpoints of a home school proponent.

again.

Perfect, only when people who disagree are enlightened will they agree and obtain full self righteousness.

We now know that once we are as smart as you we will be accepted and on the right path, anointed one...

MG... Do you not realize with all your wisdom that you will wake up and still put on your pants in the morning the same way the rest of us do ?

Flexing your brain cells is not goint to make everyone see it your way. We all have different opinions and views that are just as rooted as yours. It makes each one of use who we are. You can't possibly believe you can repeatedly pound your opinion into people and turn them into a model of you.

It's ok if opinions vary.

"Captain awkward"? Pray do tell who we speak of? I know you're not referring to me...I know too much haha.

Lmao, not you idiot. Someone else. You were home schooled?

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I was indeed. See, I can play socialized when I need to. Actually another person we went to school with was very similar. We both went to college, both got science degrees and now work in the realm of environmental consulting, and both are non-commissioned officers in the military. And somehow, we managed to do it despite being homeschooled. Shocking.

That a threat? lmao!


Hey now, let's not act like home school had everything to do with that...

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate.

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Alligators gonna alligate.

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