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rainy_day 06-09-2012 12:18 AM

Can people with access to launch behind the weirs still fish crab and shrimp.
behind the weirs when they are closed.......

Gerald 06-09-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rainy_day (Post 445233)
Can people with access to launch behind the weirs still fish crab and shrimp.
behind the weirs when they are closed.......


When the Grand Bayou weir is closed..... All of the East Cove unit of Cameron Prairie NR is closed. When the weir is open, you can only access the area by boat and can not get on the land.

There is still lots of marsh back in that area that is leased out that is still open...... as far as I know.

"W" 06-09-2012 09:59 PM

A lot less boats at launch today now that the weirs are closed

rainy_day 06-09-2012 11:09 PM

It'l be brackish until the next storm comes by
Then they start all over again with a very dead marsh that nothing lives in..
Another thing all these levees cause tides to run higher than normal.
This is why Lake Charles Floods now with any little Hurricane
Coming any where near us..

deltahunter85 06-11-2012 03:19 PM

well, its a hard subject to grasp. but if you are open minded about things its easier to see the big picture. yes its hurting the fisherman at this moment, but think about long term. you leave the weirs open or take them out, the marsh dies out and turns into open water. whats the reason the shrimping has been good in past years? what do shrimp feed on? dead vegetation? a dying marsh eqauls lots of shrimp food. a dead marsh equals open water, subsidence, erosion, and the end result would be no food for shrimp and prolly hardly any shrimp. not only for the shrimpers, for the fish to eat, and if there are no fish food then there are no fish. i know that is exaggerated but look at the long term affects on the system. the weirs are only trying to be a band aid for part of the system. to help protect what is left of the marshes. look at a natural delta and how it works. like the one that used to be at the mouth of the old calcasieu river..... with out the weirs and the way they were designed to be operated, the cameron creole watershe will turn into a lake with no vegetation to die off and feed the shrimp.

hopefully this wont cause any trouble i just want people to start thinking more open minded about things. i know its hard to. i also love to fish and spend almost every weekend on the water somewhere. would love to fish more but unfortunately i am not lucky enough to do so.

so remember this isnt meant to start any drama, just my opinion from an ecological view point.

also just some info, the weirs have fish slats for fish to move in and out.

Top Dawg 06-11-2012 03:25 PM

Bet it would be good cast netting right on the outside!!!

"W" 06-11-2012 03:35 PM

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We went to the weirs today and the bait was stacked up on lake side and fish looked stacked up on marsh side...sea gulls busting on shrimp

Grand seemed more action wise on marsh side than lambert....Lambert looked dead

LouisianaSportsman 06-14-2012 02:06 PM

To "W". I'm afraid to say the marshes have been DYING off mainly because we have something called a ship channel that is an unnatural highway for saltwater. (Obviously) The native vegetation in the marshes can't survive with the salinity levels the ship channel brings. Therefore the marsh would die even further without these weirs. Massive habitat loss = no fish for anyone. The weirs correcting salinity levels is projected to have a net benefit of 2,602 acres in 20 years..... instead of the opposite effect plus some if they were never installed. Learn to fish the whole lake and not one spot. Also the Calcasieu estuary is a huge, productive ecosystem as a whole and not solely dependent on one marsh with a few weirs.

82whaler 06-14-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisianaSportsman (Post 447757)
. Learn to fish the whole lake and not one spot.

The most Intelligent post I have read on this thread! :welcome:

"W" 06-14-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisianaSportsman (Post 447757)
To "W". I'm afraid to say the marshes have been DYING off mainly because we have something called a ship channel that is an unnatural highway for saltwater. (Obviously) The native vegetation in the marshes can't survive with the salinity levels the ship channel brings. Therefore the marsh would die even further without these weirs. Massive habitat loss = no fish for anyone. The weirs correcting salinity levels is projected to have a net benefit of 2,602 acres in 20 years..... instead of the opposite effect plus some if they were never installed. Learn to fish the whole lake and not one spot. Also the Calcasieu estuary is a huge, productive ecosystem as a whole and not solely dependent on one marsh with a few weirs.

Uhhhh...your preaching to the wrong one..I don't fish the "weirs " ...but keeping them closed for a long period of time will cause problems

deltahunter85 06-14-2012 02:36 PM

how will it cause problems? it might change what you are used to, but will benefit the system. now if they are never opened, that would cause problems. if the operation plan that is written for the weirs is followed like it is currently it will be very benificial! which if i am correct is full moons; and big rains to flush the marsh.

deltahunter85 06-14-2012 02:37 PM

there are also other criteria to the operation plan but that is two of the things i am aware of.

LouisianaSportsman 06-14-2012 02:48 PM

The new management of the weirs actually seem to be doing a good job. Should be real beneficial.

"W" 06-14-2012 02:54 PM

That marsh is the food chain to the lake....when you cut the food chain off what happens?????


When the weirs were blow out we had the best numbers for redfish and trout ......you choke it off..depletion of food...

"W" 06-14-2012 03:00 PM

The weirs being closed right now probably will not do much harm but we have 6 months when the marsh plays a huge roll on our lake
..and in these 6 months the weirs can not be choked off are you will see consequences for that
March, April ,May ..Sept, Oct, Nov...

Duck Butter 06-14-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 447793)
That marsh is the food chain to the lake....when you cut the food chain off what happens?????


When the weirs were blow out we had the best numbers for redfish and trout ......you choke it off..depletion of food...


You are correct with those statements, but you have got to know that the entire west side of the lake IS marsh.

I don't doubt that the fishing was great after the storms but that was likely due to all the decaying vegetation that was blown in or vegetation that was dying from the saltwater intrusion in the marsh that is not tolerant of saltwater. The food chain starts with the plants, you kill them and replace them with saltwater tolerant plants and your primary production will go WAY down. Freshwater marsh is one of THE most productive ecosystems in the entire world.

Fishing was also great offshore right after the storms, I don't think that had anything to do with a weir being blown out in Big Lake

The weirs serve a specific purpose = to keep saltwater out the freshwater marsh, not for shrimp, not for redfish, but to keep the marsh intact and keep this region from looking like most of SE La. The ship channel is the main culprit, maybe they should fill it back in and plant cypress back around the lake:)

Duck Butter 06-14-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 447798)
The weirs being closed right now probably will not do much harm but we have 6 months when the marsh plays a huge roll on our lake
..and in these 6 months the weirs can not be choked off are you will see consequences for that
March, April ,May ..Sept, Oct, Nov...


You will see consequences, it will kill the marsh which would be great for shrimp feeding on decaying vegetation, and great for fish feeding on the shrimp for a few years maybe, but once that gets converted to saltmarsh, thats when the real consequences will occur

1234567 06-14-2012 04:06 PM

Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge

Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge was established to preserve and protect wintering waterfowl and their habitat. It was the first refuge established under the auspices of the North American Waterfowl Management Plan


I cut and pasted this off the website. The purpose of these refuges are soley for waterfowl habitat. THey closed the wiers for salinity level purposes. Anyone who hunts in those marshes sourounding the refuge knows that in the last few years it has turned into a salt marsh, good for fishing, not good for waterfowl.

Same situation in Lacassan Reserve when it was drained and burned seveal years ago. Fisherman were not happy but the whole purpose was for da ducks.

They will open them back up at one point. There are plenty of other places to catch 7+lb trout in the lake. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

Now all of the anchor chunkers will spread out across the lake!!!!

meaux fishing 06-14-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1234567 (Post 447829)
Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge

Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge was established to preserve and protect wintering waterfowl and their habitat. It was the first refuge established under the auspices of the North American Waterfowl Management Plan


I cut and pasted this off the website. The purpose of these refuges are soley for waterfowl habitat. THey closed the wiers for salinity level purposes. Anyone who hunts in those marshes sourounding the refuge knows that in the last few years it has turned into a salt marsh, good for fishing, not good for waterfowl.

Same situation in Lacassan Reserve when it was drained and burned seveal years ago. Fisherman were not happy but the whole purpose was for da ducks.

They will open them back up at one point. There are plenty of other places to catch 7+lb trout in the lake. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

Now all of the anchor chunkers will spread out across the lake!!!!

Nope...they will just follow the Haynies

Duck Butter 06-14-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1234567 (Post 447829)
Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge

Cameron Prairie National Wildlife Refuge was established to preserve and protect wintering waterfowl and their habitat. It was the first refuge established under the auspices of the North American Waterfowl Management Plan


I cut and pasted this off the website. The purpose of these refuges are soley for waterfowl habitat. THey closed the wiers for salinity level purposes. Anyone who hunts in those marshes sourounding the refuge knows that in the last few years it has turned into a salt marsh, good for fishing, not good for waterfowl.

Same situation in Lacassan Reserve when it was drained and burned seveal years ago. Fisherman were not happy but the whole purpose was for da ducks.

They will open them back up at one point. There are plenty of other places to catch 7+lb trout in the lake. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

Now all of the anchor chunkers will spread out across the lake!!!!

I believe Sabine, Lac, and CP are all there for waterfowl? Saltmarsh and dablling ducks are not very compatible. Unfortunately saltwater intrusion is a big problem now, and will contibue to be a huge problem in the future. Its pretty simple how to combat the problem, but it ain't likely to happen in our lifetime. Bring some levees down, fill in the ship channel, thats all:grinpimp:
or create some more freshwater diversions, which are very expensive and most the times are not run at full capacity once they are installed. Venice actually GAINED some land last year after all the spillways and diversions were opened.

There was/is a project taking place at Upper Oua****a NWR in which several miles of levee are being taken down along the Oua****a River and converting the area back to what it once was - bottomland hardwoods. It took 4 years before it was allowed, the permitting process was unbelievable because it had never been done.


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