I took a friend of mine out to White lake he said he knew his way around, well he sucks we got lost ended up in Grand Lake with 20 mph south wind in a 17' aluminum boat, my bilge pump didnot stop waves coming over the bow, and my buddy who's a Marine was laughing the whole time, he only took it serios when I told him we where down to 1/4 of a tank. So conclusions Marines are crazy and never leave hom without your GPS. That is in a joking manner about the Marines.