[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag

Water dog is obsolete, no 2 ways about it. If your happy with your dog, then great, but for someone wanting to train their pup, no way I recommend Wolters stuff. He doesn't utilize (not until the end of his career) the E-Collar, but back then the collar had 2 settings, off and weld. But the collars today are light years away from the old types, and so are the programs. Like I said before, Evan Graham, Mike Lardy, Bill Hillman, Jackie Merten, etc. all have good, solid, proven programs. Water dog doesn't come close to em.

P.S. I'm not knockin your dog so don't take it personally.

Wolters also changed his tune on force fetch as well since waterdog.