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Originally Posted by MathGeek
To me, Clinton's behavior was much more despicable than the typical adulterous politician on several counts:
1. The behavior occurred at work.
2. The behavior occurred with a subordinate.
3. He lied about the behavior under oath.
These facts make his behavior far worse than simple unfaithfulness to his marital vows.
Is it OK to lie under oath, if you are only lying about sex? Because politicians don't lie about anything do they?
If you are only lying about sex at work?
If you are only lying about sex at work with a subordinate?
Is it OK to lie under oath if it is about something else you think should be OK but some authority has a problem with? Like drug use? At work?
Politicians that DON'T lie under oath, have sex at work with subordinates (and or conduct various other innappropraite things, are the Rule now a days... not the Rarity..) Lie, Deception, Misuse of government power... those are are rules.. not exceptions.
Thus my like of Gary Johnson, He has shown that he is not from that same mold.
Somehow, when push comes to shove, I think libertarians will advocate for much more than drug legalization. I think they will want drug use to become a protected status and use governmental power to restrict the liberties of employers, insurance companies, and individuals in choosing not to hire drug users, choosing not to insure drug users (or charge them more), and choosing to require drug tests as a reasonable condition of voluntary association or business of any type.
So your disdain for the libertarian party comes from a "hunch"? Well so much for the old scientific method arguement.
A true libertarian would not restrict an employer's rights to test for drug use or make employment decisions based on drug use.
A true libertarian would not restrict a private school's rights to test for drug use or make admission and retention decisions based on drug use.
A true libertarian would not restrict a private insurer's rights to test for drug use or make coverage decisions based on drug use.
Are you really a true libertarian?
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I believe i am a true Libertarian, I view the the platform to be one of less government involvement, but when there is a need for government involvement it is of a nature to protect the People from other interests ie. (Mega business lobbying, squandering of the nation's national resources for the financial benefit of a few rather than the good of the whole country) etc.
As far as your drug arguments above i never stated any of those things in our other discussion.. and to the best of my recollection no one else said so either... so what the heck is your point.
Are we once again degraded to your viewpoint that potheads are incapable of contributing to society in any meaningful way whatsoever?
Do i agree 100% with every single point listed in the Libertarian Platform.... no.... but by and far they represent a very large percentage of what changes could occur that would quickly bring this country back to it's rightful position as leader of the free world.
For example... i will even give you a freebee.... i'm sure you will happily use it to call me a commie socialist or something.
The libertarian policy in regards to Healthcare is that the insurance industry market should be stripped of government and protectionism. Selling over state lines should be allowed as should collective bargaining agreements with groups of like minded consumer... ie. switch to a true free market system with a Laissez faire mindset toward the economic's portion of it.
I do believe that would work to some extent.... and it would certainly be a HUGE improvement over the joke that is our current healthcare system.
However... My personal belief's differ from the LP on this subject, I believe that we should in fact switch to a 100% socialized health care system. With appropriate governmental regulation. Set up in similar fashion to successful socialized health care plans currently in place in many of this worlds countries.
I believe this because personally i believe basic solid healthcare (no boobjobs or such allowed) is a human right. I also believe it because these countries have shown that they can provide more doctors and more hospital beds and better service accross the board resulting in longer healthier lives for their countries citizens.
Honestly i could care less which route we take, as long as we quickly extricate ourselves from the current quagmire of health care law which has been written by the health care and pharma lobbying groups.
I quite seriously doubt that you or any one else will ever agree with any party's opinion 100%.....
But you go with what most closely matches your mindset. Yes?