definite pissing match here... my dog this, my dog that... blah blah...
if you dont want a trained dog, then dont spend your money on one.. if you have time to train your own dog, then save your money and use your time training your dog.. plain and simple..
like somebody said earlier, usually the dog with the most experience wins..
and apparently LILRAB has the most badass dog ever, either that or he cant shoot worth a **** when he is crippling birds 400yds off in the thickest marsh grass imaginable..