ok thanks guys i'll see what grainger has to offer.
if it costs it costs but I want it to be something to last another 20 years that I can beat on and turn things with cheater pipes because I use a vise mainly for things that are stuck and need to be broken loose and only for holding things about 30% of the time
just out of curiosity has anyone ever used those olimpia vises that walmart sells, they dont "look" as cheaply made as most but you cant always go by looks
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