what y'all make of this?

[mr crab]

The article is a year old, but I just found it.http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s..._overfish.html

[Goooh]

I would like to see 10-20 year info on number of guides from dulac/dularge and over to the east, and number of chartered trips.

They call out increased technology for over fishing and making it easier to target fish, and link that to more difficult limits. Then post info that clearly shows most average folks don't catch limits. Did new technology enable us recreational anglers to "smash them" for a brief period of time?

The reason I would like to see guide numbers and tourism/charter numbers is because it would be nice to see how much additional fishing pressure has actually come from how heavily we have marketed the state as a destination to "rape" some fish.

Not knocking guides, but the overall harvest has had to increase in the last 10-20 years.

[hchol]

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

[lsufish]

Originally Posted by hchol

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

I bet this one voted for Obama, green energy, and thinks his car will run on iced tea.

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by hchol

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

Feel free to release your fish if you want. I'll eat most of the ones I catch tho. I am not interested in buying my fish from h.e.b. just like I don't buy meat from them. My family takes great pride and expense in the fact that ALL our red meat , pork, fish, and most of our shell fish are personally harvested, butchered and cooked by us. That is a hunting and fishing heritage and lifestyle that my grandfather instilled in me as a young man. And one that was instilled in him by his father and so on. It is my responsibility to pass these values and and heritage on to my children. Yet this lifestyle is now considered "greedy" or labeled as a "game hog" or "resource raper". I will not condone this attitude. Why make me and my family feel guilty for harvesting what we will consume. Don't get me wrong.. it's not about "feeding my family" we spend far more money in our hunting and fishing pursuits than we would spend at a grocery store for the same amount of fish and meat. But that's not the point...this is our heritage. And when these limits on legal harvest keep decreasing it makes pursuing that lifestyle much less rewarding and will no doubt deter future generations from keeping those traditions alive. It's like I posted earlier about the snapper....lower the limit enough and most people won't be interested in spending the time or money to catch them. Now there is an overabundance of snapper that far less people than before are interested in pursuing and that overabundance is hurting other marine species(grey triggerfish by eating the eggs) You'd think we would have learned by the failure of that model. But the CCA continues to support lower and lower bag limits....Have you heard that the trout limit just dropped to 5 from Freeport to Brownsville? I see you are a fellow Texan...

[hchol]

Originally Posted by mr crab

Feel free to release your fish if you want. I'll eat most of the ones I catch tho. I am not interested in buying my fish from h.e.b. just like I don't buy meat from them. My family takes great pride and expense in the fact that ALL our red meat , pork, fish, and most of our shell fish are personally harvested, butchered and cooked by us. That is a hunting and fishing heritage and lifestyle that my grandfather instilled in me as a young man. And one that was instilled in him by his father and so on. It is my responsibility to pass these values and and heritage on to my children. Yet this lifestyle is now considered "greedy" or labeled as a "game hog" or "resource raper". I will not condone this attitude. Why make me and my family feel guilty for harvesting what we will consume. Don't get me wrong.. it's not about "feeding my family" we spend far more money in our hunting and fishing pursuits than we would spend at a grocery store for the same amount of fish and meat. But that's not the point...this is our heritage. And when these limits on legal harvest keep decreasing it makes pursuing that lifestyle much less rewarding and will no doubt deter future generations from keeping those traditions alive. It's like I posted earlier about the snapper....lower the limit enough and most people won't be interested in spending the time or money to catch them. Now there is an overabundance of snapper that far less people than before are interested in pursuing and that overabundance is hurting other marine species(grey triggerfish by eating the eggs) You'd think we would have learned by the failure of that model. But the CCA continues to support lower and lower bag limits....Have you heard that the trout limit just dropped to 5 from Freeport to Brownsville? I see you are a fellow Texan...

Mr Crab...the irony of your arguement is that if you want your heritage to continue you better start conserving the resource! Or your grandkids or great grandkids wont know it bc the feds will control it and restrict it. Learn Self preservation or the government will do it for you. Im all for leberal limits and i dont buy any of my fish from HEB either....

Oh yea and all you CCA haters out there...if it wasnt for CCA you wouldnt have a fishery left bc the commercial sector would control it....smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here...

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by hchol

Oh yea and all you CCA haters out there...if it wasnt for CCA you wouldnt have a fishery left bc the commercial sector would control it....smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here...

You just shook the hornets nest, should be worth 10 more pages

See y'all next week

[awhellnaw]

why the hell yall out in this pain in the neck sun, when you could be fishing on this here nintendos. ya caint eat em but they sure is pretty. and they give u points too son. HOW MANY POINTS YOU GOT MR HCHOL??? HENRYBOY??????

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by hchol

Oh yea and all you CCA haters out there...if it wasnt for CCA you wouldnt have a fishery left bc the commercial sector would control it....smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here...

Not a hater here. GCCA did some good things in the 1980s and 1990s.

In the last decade, the organization has taken a turn for the worse and focused too much on angling restrictions, higher license fees, and contests to bring boatloads of cash back to TX for real conservation and restoration projects.

Calling that out is not hating or hypocrisy, just hoping to inform the public.

By your logic, one must hate blacks if one wants to cut welfare.

[HenryBoy]

Originally Posted by hchol

Mr Crab...the irony of your arguement is that if you want your heritage to continue you better start conserving the resource! Or your grandkids or great grandkids wont know it bc the feds will control it and restrict it. Learn Self preservation or the government will do it for you. Im all for leberal limits and i dont buy any of my fish from HEB either....

Oh yea and all you CCA haters out there...if it wasnt for CCA you wouldnt have a fishery left bc the commercial sector would control it....smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here...

This was my last conservation trip..........a few shy of a limit, but not a bad day.

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by hchol

Mr Crab...the irony of your arguement is that if you want your heritage to continue you better start conserving the resource! Or your grandkids or great grandkids wont know it bc the feds will control it and restrict it. Learn Self preservation or the government will do it for you. Im all for leberal limits and i dont buy any of my fish from HEB either....

Oh yea and all you CCA haters out there...if it wasnt for CCA you wouldnt have a fishery left bc the commercial sector would control it....smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here...

Already happening. Look at what CCA did to trout limits and tripletail limits, and that was without and evidence to support these decisions. We don't need the feds to regulate anything, another 10 years with CCA getting what they want we won't be able to keep anything.

[Fishdok]

Originally Posted by hchol

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

I believe they are realizing that the catch n release of all bass is a mistake as seen with several lakes no longer producing quality fish sec to being overpopulated by lil dinks.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Fishdok

I believe they are realizing that the catch n release of all bass is a mistake as seen with several lakes no longer producing quality fish sec to being overpopulated by lil dinks.

Correct, the original purpose of slot limits was to allow people to take fish from the population and leave some as well. It all went south when folks were not keeping anything at all.
You have to remove fish from the population or else they font work Happens in private ponds often , the owner doesn't want to remove any fish and like u say before long the entire pond us overran with dinks

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by hchol

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

Our saltwater estuaries are open to the gulf of mexico. Catching limits and keeping them isn't going to run down populations. Many other factors will kill our fish populations before over fishing will.

Tarpon, permit, and bonefish do not compare to trout, redfish, and flounder.

[HenryBoy]

Originally Posted by hchol

Bass fishermen have for years embraced a catch and release mentality that has had a tremendous positive impact on their fisheries. In fact, now you are looked down on if you show up at a freshwater boat launch with an ice chest full of large mouths. You might even get run off! I by no means like the goverenment telling me what I can and cant do, but if you run your fisheries into the ground you open the door for the Feds to come in and take control. Why do we saltwater fishermen have such a huge problem embracing a similar culture. I know trout are better eating than bass, they spawn different, and so on but it seems like the Bass guys figured out a LONG time ago that if you keep to many today there wont be any to catch tomorrow......pretty common sense if you ask me.

P.S. plenty of freshwater and also tarpon, bonefish, and permit guides make a great living practicing catch and release.

I tell you what........

I pursue trophy fish in both fresh and saltwater - so maybe I can bring some street cred to this conversation. Now I don't have a degree in fish management, but I can say the trophy fish just aren't what they use to be.........both Salt and Fresh.........in Lousiana and Texas. I blame Obama, the umbrella rig, myself, the new trout limits and these new fish finders.

And for this guy....... I fish trophies numero uno and I fish for food numero dos. So you (Mr. Office fisherman) can eat a topwater with your new limit proposal.

Been windy lately.......but here are few trophies for 2014.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by HenryBoy

I tell you what........

I pursue trophy fish in both fresh and saltwater - so maybe I can bring some street cred to this conversation. Now I don't have a degree in fish management, but I can say the trophy fish just aren't what they use to be.........both Salt and Fresh.........in Lousiana and Texas. I blame Obama, the umbrella rig, myself, the new trout limits and these new fish finders.

And for this guy....... I fish trophies numero uno and I fish for food numero dos. So you (Mr. Office fisherman) can eat a topwater with your new limit proposal.

Been windy lately.......but here are few trophies for 2014.

6 posts in and he's showing off a 26" redfish for street cred. Gota give him props on the fly rod though. Foot off the throttle until you have some street cred here or the boys are gona have fun with you. Trust me I know.
Welcome aboard bro. Seat belt on at all times. Its a hell of a ride. J

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

6 posts in and he's showing off a 26" redfish for street cred. Gota give him props on the fly rod though. Foot off the throttle until you have some street cred here or the boys are gona have fun with you. Trust me I know.
Welcome aboard bro. Seat belt on at all times. Its a hell of a ride. J

easy....1911...those are his trophies...LMAO...Me and the kids threw back 6-8 of those last night....jussayin....my 10/yo boy is making the call nowadays. Dude is getting picky. Over 22 inches and back it goes. He says momma don't like the big ones. Cracks me up

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by Goooh

I would like to see 10-20 year info on number of guides from dulac/dularge and over to the east, and number of chartered trips.

They call out increased technology for over fishing and making it easier to target fish, and link that to more difficult limits. Then post info that clearly shows most average folks don't catch limits. Did new technology enable us recreational anglers to "smash them" for a brief period of time?

The reason I would like to see guide numbers and tourism/charter numbers is because it would be nice to see how much additional fishing pressure has actually come from how heavily we have marketed the state as a destination to "rape" some fish.

Not knocking guides, but the overall harvest has had to increase in the last 10-20 years.

It's sad nobody took the bait here

[MathGeek]

All the data I've seen suggests that current harvest levels are sustainable.

The 2011 data was influenced by a couple of significant non-harvest factors: The 2010 oil spill and hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Assuming that all fluctuations in the population structure are due to harvest pressure is bad science. Speckled trout are extremely prolific spawners and recruitment rates in Louisiana are very high due to the quantity and quality of spawning habitat.

Reducing the limit from 25 to 15 in Big Lake in 2005 has proven to be a mistake. Reducing the limit elsewhere in the state (based on current data) would also be a mistake.

I hope LDWF actually provides the data in future assessments of speckled trout stocks rather than saying "trust our conclusions" while wanting us to accept CCA-backed policy changes.

[MathGeek]

"Generally speaking, you'll see fewer big fish at first," he said. "It takes four years to grow a big (speckled trout). If we're cropping more fish at a smaller size, then obviously fewer of them will have the chance to get big."

This is the biggest lie in wildlife management today. Fast growth rates are more essential to producing big speckled trout than protecting younger fish. In most Gulf coast estuaries, plenty of speckled trout survive to 4, 5, and 6 years of age. FL and TX produce more fish over 10 lbs, not because of higher survival rates to the older ages, but because of higher growth rates in the estuaries that produce a lot of trophy trout.

If you want more trophy trout, it is more essential to protect their forage base.