E15 is here

[Montauk17]

http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/...ng-the-rvp-nut Anyone else notice all these new BS "acts" are nothing more than the feds screwing the people? This has got to stop!
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ion-pump-epa/1

[mcjaredsandwich]

More fuel problems! Yay

[longcast]

Like I don't have enough.

[Hydro]

Garbage fuel

[Montauk17]

Seriously considering selling my boats and fishing with a hobie from now on. This is going to ruin the marine industry.

[sears]

I've been testing gas at various stations around here and there have been some with 15-20% ethanol content. Good thing all the ethanol free stations I've tested have been 0%. Who should I report the high ethanol content stations to?

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[PaulMyers]

I'll get that info for you when I go to work tomorrow. If I remember. :o

Sears, I sent you a PM.
EVO

[2ndamendment]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/...ng-the-rvp-nut Anyone else notice all these new BS "acts" are nothing more than the feds screwing the people? This has got to stop!
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ion-pump-epa/1

It can be greatly limited or stopped by electing a new president next year. A president who agrees that this stuff is getting out of hand.

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment

It can be greatly limited or stopped by electing a new president next year. A president who agrees that this stuff is getting out of hand.

I agree with you.

But in my opinion, farmers who rely on Govt Subsidies for ethanol production (much of the midwest) will not support that candidate. Those farmers are loving the fact they can sell their crop for ethanol production, at a much higher price than for food consumption.

[2ndamendment]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

I agree with you.

But in my opinion, farmers who rely on Govt Subsidies for ethanol production (much of the midwest) will not support that candidate. Those farmers are loving the fact they can sell their crop for ethanol production, at a much higher price than for food consumption.

There is the base for the problem. The government has over the years introduced the American farmer to subsidies(government Aid---tax payer money). Similar to welfare for the most part.
The corn that is being used for ethanol instead of food, is contributing to the rise in food prices for the American consumer.

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment

There is the base for the problem. The government has over the years introduced the American farmer to subsidies(government Aid---tax payer money). Similar to welfare for the most part.
The corn that is being used for ethanol instead of food, is contributing to the rise in food prices for the American consumer.

A little bit, but not much. Subsidies keep the farmer in business. Without them, we would be paying much more in food cost. We only pay about 10% of our budget on food. Many countries that do not have govt subsidies for farmers pay over 30%, many close to 50%.

The govt buys the crop at a minimum price, assuring the farmer gets paid. If the crop sells for more than what the govt bought it for, the farmer pays back the govt and keeps the profit. If it sell for the same price, or lower than what the govt bought it for, the farmer hands over his entire crop to the govt.

The problem is that we export so much food. Europe and Asia love our grain. But, they also pay for it.

Sure, ethanol is from corn. But its also from sugarcane, and any other crop that can produce alcohol (rice, wheat, etc).

[weedeater]

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment

There is the base for the problem. The government has over the years introduced the American farmer to subsidies(government Aid---tax payer money). Similar to welfare for the most part.
The corn that is being used for ethanol instead of food, is contributing to the rise in food prices for the American consumer.

Just like welfare, foodstamps and Obama mama money is helping out in our unemployment numbers, the more free crap you hand out the more people and animals stand in line for a handout instead of a line looking for a job.......

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by weedeater

Just like welfare, foodstamps and Obama mama money is helping out in our unemployment numbers, the more free crap you hand out the more people and animals stand in line for a handout instead of a line looking for a job.......

Are you saying farmers don't work? And that the govt assistance they do have, they sit on their ***? They're some of the hardest working citizens in the U.S. sometimes 16 hour days for minimal profits.

[weedeater]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Are you saying farmers don't work? And that the govt assistance they do have, they sit on their ***? They're some of the hardest working citizens in the U.S. sometimes 16 hour days for minimal profits.

no I don't mean the farmers I know they work hard, the ones that I am talking about or the others that draw free money. I have seen a farmer where we hunted plant crops and 3 of 6yrs not get any harvest but he also carries insurance to help out with this, I don't understand the deal with the farmers that are paid not to plant "CRP" but from little I have been told on this it ddont make much sense to have good farm land and pay a guy not to plant...... maybe someone can explain this alittle more

[mcjaredsandwich]

possible reasons for not planting

-insect infestation
-missed planting date
-not enough rainfall for crops (soil type and quality comes into play for crop selection)
-not enough money to cover overhead costs
-letting land sit fallow to recover from last crop

[2ndamendment]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

A little bit, but not much. Subsidies keep the farmer in business. Without them, we would be paying much more in food cost. We only pay about 10% of our budget on food. Many countries that do not have govt subsidies for farmers pay over 30%, many close to 50%.

Why government is involved in agriculture?
1. Ensure adequate food supply
2. Protect small scale farming
3. Maintain economic viability of rural businesses and communities
4. Minimize dependence on imports
5. Expand agriculture exports
6. Respond to food problems

These days a farmer does not have to grow anything to get federal crop subsidies. The government will send a check based on the amount of product that was grown in the past, even if the farmer does not feel like growing it anymore.


The govt buys the crop at a minimum price, assuring the farmer gets paid. If the crop sells for more than what the govt bought it for, the farmer pays back the govt and keeps the profit. If it sell for the same price, or lower than what the govt bought it for, the farmer hands over his entire crop to the govt.

Government involvement increases the price at the grocery, while going through billions of tax payer money.
In addition, farmers have more accumulated wealth than most urban people in the form of land value.
For most commodities (such as fruits and vegetables, hay, meat products, ornamentals) there is little government income support. Not only that, but the commodities that get no government help are just as profitable as those that do.


The problem is that we export so much food. Europe and Asia love our grain. But, they also pay for it.

Sure, ethanol is from corn. But its also from sugarcane, and any other crop that can produce alcohol (rice, wheat, etc).

What is the rationale for government involvement? Instead what would be the best way government could provide support other than income support?

Here is a quote by Thomas Jefferson;

[SIZE=3]"Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread." --Thomas Jefferson[/SIZE]

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Sure, ethanol is from corn. But its also from sugarcane, and any other crop that can produce alcohol (rice, wheat, etc).

Corn is the only grain/crop used to make ethanol for the US.



EVO

[weedeater]

no matter how you make it, its no good for our boats and truth be know our vehicles .......

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by PaulMyers

Corn is the only grain/crop used to make ethanol for the US.



EVO

Looks like Professors in the agriculture department Lied!

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by 2ndamendment

What is the rationale for government involvement? Instead what would be the best way government could provide support other than income support?

Here is a quote by Thomas Jefferson;

[SIZE=3]"Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread." --Thomas Jefferson[/SIZE]

~61% of the cost of food products comes from processing outside of the farm.

So if a farmer has land and needs money, he should just sell his land? Just because he has capital in his land, does not mean he has money in his pocket.