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looking for natural gas boiler
I would like to avoid buying propane tanks for boiling seafood. I figure even if its not cheaper then propane, a natural gas seafood boiler is going to be a lot less trouble then messing with those tanks. the trouble is I don't know anything about natural gas burners so most of what I have seen are just the natural gas burner jet rings that I assume you unscrew and swap out the propane burner or maybe you are supposed to build your own burner or something. do you buy and screw one of these burner jet rings onto one of those cheap propane burners or just buy a complete natural gas boiler setup and where do you get them at a good price? also, do cooking times go way up with nat gas or are they able to put out just as much heat as propane |
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All you need to boil with nat. gas is a 1/2 or 3/4 pipe with a cap and drill a 1/8 in. hole in the cap.....Nat. gas works with propane cooking burner too but I have found not as hot...Ace in laplace sells a burner replacement that has a bunch of brass nozzles or whatever they called....I don't know how it would work on standard home gas line but I know a guy uses it for his store to cook n boil and it is hotter than hell....Seems to be hotter than standard propane....
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I just cant see how you "fix" or attach the burner securely in place? I don't weld or know a welder. I do see the burner rings with all the nozzles at the hardware stores and that's what got me wanting to do this but I want it safe, I don't want it to be a hack job. |
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If you want to only boil all you need is a pipe with cap and a hole drilled in cap.....Elbow the pipe out and go to home depot and get the size clear plastic line they sell and a hose clamp to clamp it to pipe and to existing gas line...Of course you need a gas valve at the end of your existing gas line to adjust pressure....If you want to cook you better off with a burner but if you put a flat plate under the pot on a pipe burner it works ok....You can swap out the burner with all the nozzles but I don't think a home line has enough volume....Maybe with propane....I personally used this at this store and it is hotter than propane but he also has a 1-1/2 to 2 inch gas line coming in , I don't remember....Nat. gas is cheaper than propane....We run 2 nat. gas burners inside and 2 propane outside for fishfrys and the propane use a tank each after 2 fry's while the nat. gas uses 15-20 dollars for 7 fry's.....
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yep, its only for boiling crabs with, roughly 1/2 to a full bushel at a time.
I was just told by people (free advice is worth what you paid for it lol) but they said no way is one jet going to put out enough heat and it takes forever to cook because nat gas has no pressure behind in like propane does so "they" said I needed one of those rings with all the jets so it puts out enough heat to do the job. but there must be enough pressure for it coming into the house because the water heater and central heaters are putting out 150,000 BTUs on the house gas supply. I know stoves and gas valves on things regulate the pressure they let pass so I wasn't expecting to hear I might have a pressure supply issue with it. this will need to be be running off of a 1/2 gas line from the back of the house. would drilling out the hole on my propane burner get me enough heat from that so my boiling and cooking times will be equal to propane or close to it? if so what size bit should I use? |
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Nat. gas is not hot as propane on a standard home gas line....Adding more openings only reduce flow pressure unless you have capacity...I used the one hole pipe cap on a 1 1/2 inch gas line and it worked just as good as propane....When the gas company swapped meters and went with standard gas line it worked ok for me but it will not equal the pressure of propane....I tried a cooking burner on nat. gas to boil and it sucked....It was actually a burner from a water heater....Cooked great....Took forever to boil....If you already have a pipe cap on your propane just get a cap and drill a bigger hole and you still have the one for propane if you not happy with it....Just reduce or upsize the pipe for the hose...
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There is a guy here in LA.. That is at all the outdoor show's. He builds and sells an AWESOME N.G. SS boiling burner...
He is and was at the Sportsman show every yr.. But I can't remember his company or brand name.. I'd just google it.. His burners are the Stizzz. I google it for U.. IT's G4 burners. They be $300+. SS will last a life time. Look it up... Gunner |
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so you say I just need to drill a new cap for nat gas use? that sounds easy enough to do but how do I figure out the drill bit size I need? I can see where this step is easy to get wrong so is there a website place that tells me what size is best or at least a starting point? |
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This is what I'm speaking of and it claims residential gas is sufficiant ....Ace in laplace has them....
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I have something like this now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bayou-Classic-Jet-Outdoor-Cooker-/141484926863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f128 a78f and its all welded except for the single brass end cap on the 90 at the end of the pipe, and it has a flame tube instead of an enclosure for wind protection so I was thinking its not a practical donor to convert over to natural gas so .... I was thinking I could buy one like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Gas-Cooker-Propane-Stand-Burner-Camping-Turkey-Fry-Bbq-Jet-High-Pressure-/161628726760?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a1d2 a5e8 and switch the burners out with one like you pictured http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Gas-Cooker-Propane-Stand-Burner-Camping-Turkey-Fry-Bbq-Jet-High-Pressure-/161628726760?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a1d2 a5e8 if I bought these two and put them together (and if it would work of course) I would be around $110 for it I just don't know what is involved in switching those burners out, if I would need brackets welded on to support it or what and then the clearance questions, would the flame be too close to the pot or not close enough?. Last edited by keakar; 03-15-2015 at 05:36 PM. |
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I don't know what is going on but this website keeps replacing my links (6 times already after the link was posted and tested to be working and correct, I come back to find it is changed or not working) but here is the correct link for the burners I had in mind: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jet-Burner-2...item338e9d4f70
I was also thinking about this one as a better option I can see might be easier to attach the other burners too since it has a flat plate under it http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sportsman-Se...3D161628726760 |
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Didn't look at them, if you can change just the orifices, ( cheep if they change able) ng is not as hot as propane hints the need for bigger orifices for the same heat-cook times. Tieing into (community ng) be careful! How you do it. Most gas co. Don't like that, and will pull your mater or lock your gas off!!
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this link shows exactly what I have now (just stumbled across it): http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Port-Outd...item5b0d0bbb75 which is a 3/8" steel pipe with a 90 screwed onto the end to direct gas upward with a brass acorn cap screwed on top of it with a hole drilled in it to be the one jet it has. im thinking it wouldn't do much to just drill out that one hole when im trying to boil an 80 qt pot of water with it, or am I wrong? Last edited by keakar; 03-15-2015 at 08:48 PM. |
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Got you, probably not changeable orifices. But maybe, what I was saying is if the gas company comes by for any reason and the "tie in" was not done by a "license plumber" it could be more trouble then it saves. Not saying never done it just telling you from experience.
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the one jet I have can be drilled out but im not sure if doing it would give me the results im after with just one flame point under lower pressure but then I just don't know since I never tried this before. maybe before buying the other stuff to put something together, I think i'll get another 3/8" brass acorn cap and drill it out to test how it boils the pot but the pipe on it is only 3/8" to start with and lil bubba was saying I should keep it to 1/2" so that's a question mark already. |
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We use those for woks on the buffet. I would go with this set up. They put out some serious heat and u can control a low flame and not have to put up with soot. You will have less cleaning on the out side of your pot.
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the 23 jet ring burner is 9" wide OD so does anyone know if I need a full 1" clearance around it from any wind screen ring or would just 1/2" clearance be ok? because I don't know if this flame is going to spread outward or just straight up, if straight up the 1/2" should be ok but if it flares out I don't know by how much. then im not sure if I even need or want a wind screen shield for it? do you really need one of all your doing is boiling? Last edited by keakar; 03-16-2015 at 06:19 AM. |
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I've been looking at doing the same thing. Using or building a stand for the 23 jet burner. There are videos on youtube with NG setups people have put together using the same burners, mostly for home brewing setups. All have claimed some fairly quick boil times. There is another company besides G4 in La. who is making something for NG like I am looking to build.
http://www.bayouboiler.com/ |
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