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Old 04-19-2016, 08:04 AM
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Two. No Immunizations Required – Most American school children have their immunizations checked and completed about the time they enroll in school.


You can think of home schooling as a loophole in the immunization requirements of most states. My wife and I have reviewed volumes of data and evidence and concluded that children are better off being immunized against the common childhood diseases for which immunizations are safe and readily available.
This makes more sense now. I see your point, and agree with you on this one.


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The common misperception here is that homeschooling parents need to or actually serve as the primary instructor for all classes and courses. Through middle and high school, most homeschooling parents outsource an increasing amount of coursework to options that are more qualified than they are, especially in math, science, and foreign languages. Of the 24 high school credits needed to graduate, our own children will average about 14 credits earned in a setting taught by a source other than a homeschooling parent.

I am planning for articles in the coming weeks describing some of the best available resources in math and science for homeschooling parents to outsource those courses. Of course, parents of public and private school students may also consider whether some of these options are better than the choices may be a better match for their children than the options at their local schools.
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm sure those options cost money. What if a parent that thinks, as you do, that the public system isn't adequate, but they don't have the money to send their child to private school, and choose to home school instead? That child is likely to be inadequately educated in the same areas that the parent is inadequately educated or weak because the parent cannot afford to take advantage of those other options.

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That's a fine opinion. It's up to each parent to consider the relative value of socialization and academic rigor as it pertains to their own children and the brick and mortar schools available in their own district.

Peter and John ended up travelling widely in the Roman world and needing to communicate the gospel to more languages and cultures than will likely ever be encountered by the average Louisiana public school graduate.
All you've done is confuse me more on this point, and make your initial point even more pointless. It further proves my point that society was different 2000 years ago when Peter and John were traveling and had to "communicate the gospel to more languages and cultures than will likely ever be encountered by the average Louisiana public school graduate."

How does their evangelization relate to the life of a home school student in 2016? What home school student is traveling to "communicate the gospel" and has to know many different languages to do so?

It's an irrelevant comparison because it has no commonality. Was there even a choice between brick and mortar schools and home schooling 2000 years ago? How do we know what education the apostles had? Was the education system the same as it is today?


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Sure. But given the available resources of today, a family need not be wealthy to provide a very high quality home school education to their children. Even outsourcing the majority of our children's coursework, we are spending a small fraction of what Louisiana parents invest in their children's private school education or what taxpayers are paying for each student's public education. We are averaging less than $2k per year per child, and most of that is related to their science projects which are a great experience, but definitely an elective expense.
Cost was not really my point. The decision of Roosevelt's parents was not made even majorly because of their ability to home school him. He was a very sickly child, and home schooling was the best option. The fact that they were wealthy just made that decision easier.

The decision for Roosevelt to be home schooled was obviously different from the decision for Tim Tebow to be home schooled. Tebow was an exceptional athlete; health was not a problem. In fact, the Tebows' decision to home school was based on the desire to instill Christian values in their children.

My point is, just because a few famous people were home schooled doesn't mean anything. Each person makes that choice for a different reason. They didn't become famous or successful solely because they were home schooled. That is purely anecdotal evidence for why home schooling is successful, but there is no way to prove that they became who they were because of home schooling.

No doubt, they are good examples of home school successes, but I feel we are going to have to agree to disagree as to the significance of home schooling to who these people were. I mean, let's face it, Tebow's fame has little to do with him being home schooled. He was a Heisman Trophy winning Quarterback and 2-time National Champion at the University of Florida. None of that had anything to do with his home schooling, because he wasn't taught how to be a great QB in home school. Hell, he played at a public school.
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Old 04-20-2016, 07:08 AM
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My point is, just because a few famous people were home schooled doesn't mean anything. Each person makes that choice for a different reason. They didn't become famous or successful solely because they were home schooled. That is purely anecdotal evidence for why home schooling is successful, but there is no way to prove that they became who they were because of home schooling.
I wasn't claiming that home schooling was a cause of success, only that the lack of socialization in a home schooling environment did not hinder success. A small number of counter examples is adequate to disprove the often heard claim that home schoolers will be hampered by their lack of socialization.

Home school students can have plenty of socialization opportunities without spending 30-40 hours per week in a public school.
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:18 AM
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I wasn't claiming that home schooling was a cause of success, only that the lack of socialization in a home schooling environment did not hinder success. A small number of counter examples is adequate to disprove the often heard claim that home schoolers will be hampered by their lack of socialization.

Home school students can have plenty of socialization opportunities without spending 30-40 hours per week in a public school.
So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

I'm not saying your point about those people is wrong, but find some examples from our current society other than Tebow. The Roosevelts and those others you listed all come from a different society, a different time in our country.

For what it is worth, my wife and I have this very discussion all the time as it pertains to our future children. We have made no decision yet, but given that both of us attended public school and were home schooled, and I attended private school as well, we are considering all options.

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Old 04-21-2016, 10:30 AM
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So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.
Yes, of course. If you note, the article in the link notes the socialization issue as a disadvantage of home schooling. I am not trying to claim it does not exist, only that it can be overcome by intentional efforts by the parents.

Our home schooled teens average 10-20 hours per week interacting with peers in various social settings including athletics, extracurriculars, college classes, youth groups, etc.

I do feel the home schooling approach were the parents are the primary instructors for 100% of the coursework and the children do not get out of the house much are suboptimal in many ways. Whether or not home schooling achieves its goals is up to the parents.

Parents who feel that their children really need 30-40 hours per week of peer interaction should probably choose a brick and mortar private or public school option, as it would probably be prohibitively difficult for home schooling parents to provide that.
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So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

I'm not saying your point about those people is wrong, but find some examples from our current society other than Tebow. The Roosevelts and those others you listed all come from a different society, a different time in our country.

For what it is worth, my wife and I have this very discussion all the time as it pertains to our future children. We have made no decision yet, but given that both of us attended public school and were home schooled, and I attended private school as well, we are considering all options.

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"Captain awkward"? Pray do tell who we speak of? I know you're not referring to me...I know too much haha.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:53 PM
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"Captain awkward"? Pray do tell who we speak of? I know you're not referring to me...I know too much haha.
Lmao, not you idiot. Someone else. You were home schooled?

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Lmao, not you idiot. Someone else. You were home schooled?

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I was indeed. See, I can play socialized when I need to. Actually another person we went to school with was very similar. We both went to college, both got science degrees and now work in the realm of environmental consulting, and both are non-commissioned officers in the military. And somehow, we managed to do it despite being homeschooled. Shocking.
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:47 PM
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I know too much haha.
That a threat? lmao!


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Hey now, let's not act like home school had everything to do with that...
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