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Dogface · #1 12-11-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bgizzle

They call a rock dog.... Anything not trained by a "professional"

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I'm not sure that's entirely true. I have seen a few dogs trained by non professionals that were very obedient and would respond to the owners command. I think a "rock dog" would be one that doesn't take commands and must be lined up by actually throwing a rock in the direction you want the dog to go. I have hunted with a very good "amateur" trainer and his dog was definitely not a rock dog.

tim3516 · #2 12-11-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bgizzle

They call a rock dog.... Anything not trained by a "professional"

"Go ahead, share your opinion! I won't cry"

So it's kinda like

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bgizzle · #3 12-11-2013, 07:16 PM

Properly? Deadly D says his is trained properly but others say no.... ?????

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cajunforeman · #4 12-11-2013, 07:33 PM

My dog was not trained by Raymond. He has been on maybe 4 trainings with Raymond present and he is 4 years old. I did everything else myself with help from him over the phone when I had issues. Till this day I still have issues that need work but I had many holes in my program. My next dog I will follow the program from te beginning to tried to avoid as many of those as possible

hankscke123 · #5 12-11-2013, 07:53 PM

same here my dog is capable of way more im the dummy in the relationship lol.

bottomline · #6 12-11-2013, 07:58 PM

I want a puppy from D's dog

speckdaddy · #7 12-11-2013, 08:12 PM

So what time is the run tomorrow raymond?

boatdriver · #8 12-11-2013, 08:33 PM

My man, you have a set of em if you put up $10,000 and your dog doesn't perform up to your standards. Dogs have bad days as well. You're telling me that one kick off, straight line, and can't see the bird fall; he's gonna get it, with no issues? I just wanna make sure that you're sure...

Deadly D · #9 12-11-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by boatdriver

My man, you have a set of em if you put up $10,000 and your dog doesn't perform up to your standards. Dogs have bad days as well. You're telling me that one kick off, straight line, and can't see the bird fall; he's gonna get it, with no issues? I just wanna make sure that you're sure...

You want to follow him cause when he hits the cattails at 50 yrds you might not keep up

boatdriver · #10 12-11-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadly D

You want to follow him cause when he hits the cattails at 50 yrds you might not keep up

Ok, so how can YOU tell he's in a straight line all the way to the 400 yard mark if YOU can't see him? You assume he is cause he brings the bird back 5-10 minutes later? And that's if he's downwind. He must NEVER lose a bird. I know the marsh you hunt. It's the same vegetation I hunt in. I had a robot dog trained by a very good individual, and mine still lost a bird every now and then.

Deadly D · #11 12-11-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boatdriver

Ok, so how can YOU tell he's in a straight line all the way to the 400 yard mark if YOU can't see him? You assume he is cause he brings the bird back 5-10 minutes later? And that's if he's downwind. He must NEVER lose a bird. I know the marsh you hunt. It's the same vegetation I hunt in. I had a robot dog trained by a very good individual, and mine still lost a bird every now and then.

No you are going to follow him to see. I have never said he hasn't lost a bird at all anywhere

boatdriver · #12 12-11-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadly D

No you are going to follow him to see. I have never said he hasn't lost a bird at all anywhere

Why am I gonna follow him??? You're the one that is beyond sure of his capabilities to run a "blind."

bgizzle · #13 12-11-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by boatdriver

My man, you have a set of em if you put up $10,000 and your dog doesn't perform up to your standards. Dogs have bad days as well. You're telling me that one kick off, straight line, and can't see the bird fall; he's gonna get it, with no issues? I just wanna make sure that you're sure...

My man, that's what I'm getting out this too.. Sounds like confidence is in the eye of the beholder. If the handler is this confident imagine the confidence of the dog!?!?

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Top Dawg · #14 12-11-2013, 08:48 PM

It's clear now a lot of ppl don't have a clue how far 400 yards is

bgizzle · #15 12-11-2013, 08:52 PM

400yds=1200 feet= 14,400inches=36,576cm

Just to clear things up for ppl who don't know what 4 football fields are. Just the field

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tim3516 · #16 12-11-2013, 08:58 PM

Do disrespect intended DD like I said before I have no experience with dogs retrieving ducks, but a slingshot can't launch an oblong rock more than four hundred get and that's stretching it I'm sure. Even if it could then chances of you hitting within twenty feet if the line where you think it is in let's say 15 mph winds are slim. If you would hit within 15 feet of the line you think the bird is at when you project the line another 800 ft that's gonna be off a good bit. Not to mention where the dog thinks it heard the rock hit with the winds taken in mind because sounds carry in the wind. Again not saying your dog doesn't do complete the task. It just sounds ridiculous to think of a dog traveling 400 Yds in a straight line. How long does a retrieve of this kind take, granted I know each one is unique assuming it's happened multiple times?