Answering the Libertarian argument for drug legalization

[MissSmallAimsSmall]

"Cannabis users seeking help to stop report withdrawal symptoms that include anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance, and depression. Over the past 20 years, increasing numbers of people have sought help in the USA, Europe, and Australia to stop using cannabis."-Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use

withdrawal- 1. Discontinuation of the use of an addictive substance 2.The physiological and mental readjustment that accompanies such discontinuation

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MissSmallAimsSmall

"Cannabis users seeking help to stop report withdrawal symptoms that include anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance, and depression. Over the past 20 years, increasing numbers of people have sought help in the USA, Europe, and Australia to stop using cannabis."-Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use

withdrawal- 1. Discontinuation of the use of an addictive substance 2.The physiological and mental readjustment that accompanies such discontinuation

all the same things that can occur when any thing that someone builds a dependancy on is taken away.

But the FACT remains that cannabis is not an addictive substance.

[southern151]

Originally Posted by MissSmallAimsSmall

"Cannabis users seeking help to stop report withdrawal symptoms that include anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance, and depression. Over the past 20 years, increasing numbers of people have sought help in the USA, Europe, and Australia to stop using cannabis."-Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use

withdrawal- 1. Discontinuation of the use of an addictive substance 2.The physiological and mental readjustment that accompanies such discontinuation

You oughta see me when I don't have my coffee in the morning!

Would coffee fall under the same addiction problems? If so, shouldn't it be illegal?

[Clampy]

Active THC is out of blood in 7-8 hrs. Stays in fat cells longer but it is metabolized and metabolites are not psychoactive.

This really is easy.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Active THC is out of blood in 7-8 hrs. Stays in fat cells longer but it is metabolized and metabolites are not psychoactive.

This really is easy.

Thanks for looking that up Clampy, Here is a link to a scientific description of THC which shows that the it's actual effects in the blood continue for at most 3 hours. I would imagine that all traces of it would be gone by the 7-8 hour period that you refer to.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Te...403100443-full

[Clampy]

This is why Washington state enacted a 5 ng/mL per say DUID law. If you are suspected of being stoned behind the wheel you are subject to a blood test. 5 ng/mL is considered too stoned to drive.

[MissSmallAimsSmall]

" Although the addictive potential of cannabis is often compared with the addictive potential of alcohol and tobacco, the author concludes that the characteristics of cannabis tolerance are similar to those of opiate dependence." -The addictive potential of cannabis.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MissSmallAimsSmall

" Although the addictive potential of cannabis is often compared with the addictive potential of alcohol and tobacco, the author concludes that the characteristics of cannabis tolerance are similar to those of opiate dependence." -The addictive potential of cannabis.

Are we only cherry picking particular statements in biased studies for materiel now?

well in that case here is my contribution; Oh but mine is from a non biased source.

Research has shown the overall addiction potential for cannabis to be less than for caffeine,[19] tobacco, alcohol, cocaine or heroin, but slightly higher than that for psilocybin, mescaline, LSD.[44] In a survey conducted by NIDA in 1994, epidemiologist James Anthony found that of those who tried marijuana at least once, about 9 percent eventually became addicted. While this is not negligible, it was still lower than other drugs which were evaluated. The corresponding figure for alcohol was 15 percent; for cocaine, 17 percent; for heroin, 23 percent; and for nicotine, 32 percent.[45]


9 percent vs.... 15,17,23, and 32 percent? Oh and that's only if we refer take the very very loose definition of saying that dependancy and addiction are basically the same thing.

[MathGeek]

This Is Your Brain On Drugs (Original) - YouTube

This Is Your Brain On Drugs (Original) - YouTube

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...brain-on-drugs

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

This Is Your Brain On Drugs (Original) - YouTube

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...brain-on-drugs

Are we discussing actual facts on cannabis use & whether it should be legalized, Or is this actually a discussion about Mescaline and LSD?
Which is what the study you linked to discusses.

I mean because obviously frying an egg in a pan and naming the egg "your brain" is a logical and scientific method.

So again, are we having a conversation based on logic & science. Or is it to be Emotion and Extremism?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Are we discussing actual facts on cannabis use & whether it should be legalized, Or is this actually a discussion about Mescaline and LSD?
Which is what the study you linked to discusses.

I mean because obviously frying an egg in a pan and naming the egg "your brain" is a logical and scientific method.

So again, are we having a conversation based on logic & science. Or is it to be Emotion and Extremism?

The original post was intended to discuss the Libertarian position, which includes legalizing all drugs, not only marijuana as the gateway drug to broader legalization. In this thread, contributors explicitly have advocated legalizing not only cannabis, but also mushrooms and other soft drugs. Advocates have held out Portugal, which has legalized every imaginable model, as a positive example. Many contributors have specifically lauded the libertarian position, which is much broader than cannabis alone.

There is plenty of good science to show that cannabis and many other drugs have a negative impact on brain function. To be sure, the commercial, "This is your brain on drugs" is a bit oversimplified and was targeted at an adolescent audience. But the message has solid scientific support. See:

Cannabinoids derived from herbal cannabis interact with endogenous cannabinoid systems in the body. Actions on specific brain receptors cause dose-related impairments of psychomotor performance with implications for car and train driving, aeroplane piloting and academic performance. - Pharmacology and effects of cannabis: a brief review

[AceArcher]

It's interesting to note the following statement on that same site under withdrawal

Withdrawal.
THC does not produce a severe withdrawal syndrome. Heavy users, however, frequently report insomnia, nervousness, mild stomach upset, and achy muscles—particularly if they stop their use suddenly.

I don't drink coffee but my wife does, and I would say she is a lot more irritated than any of the above is she doesn't get her coffee every morning.

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Say nope to dope

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by MathGeek;619159

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Cannabinoids derived from herbal cannabis interact with endogenous cannabinoid systems in the body. Actions on specific brain receptors cause dose-related impairments of psychomotor performance with implications for car and train driving, aeroplane piloting and academic performance.[/I] - Pharmacology and effects of cannabis: a brief review

Yes that is the point. It is an intoxicant. .

[mr crab]

Dang....yall boys still on this one huh? Its getting deep up in here. Sounds to me like a.a.&mh need to go fishing, burn one, and squash it.

[AceArcher]

Whats really at question here is do you actually want your children to end up as drug user's of any type.

If you continue with the extraordinarily bad policies of criminalization that have been part and parcel of the "War on drugs" you are being part of what is making the drug culture more powerful in america each and every day. Every year that the real issues are ignored, drug cartel's earn an estimated 64 BILLION dollars in profit. Like any other successful business they return a large portion of their profits to improving there business model.

The business model they are trying to achieve is to have every single person as an addict under their thumb. By continuing to play into their hands, we are just making that more of a reality every single day.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Whats really at question here is do you actually want your children to end up as drug user's of any type.

If you continue with the extraordinarily bad policies of criminalization that have been part and parcel of the "War on drugs" you are being part of what is making the drug culture more powerful in america each and every day. Every year that the real issues are ignored, drug cartel's earn an estimated 64 BILLION dollars in profit. Like any other successful business they return a large portion of their profits to improving there business model.

The business model they are trying to achieve is to have every single person as an addict under their thumb. By continuing to play into their hands, we are just making that more of a reality every single day.

Sad that no one bothered to answer this question. To busy sifting through all the scientific data and trying to find "clips" to support there personal agenda and opinion i suppose.

[Clampy]

They couldnt do that. Everyone knows. After 1 hit they would chase down a shrimp boat and try and score some meth.

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by Clampy

They couldnt do that. Everyone knows. After 1 hit they would chase down a shrimp boat and try and score some meth.

they'd be laying the 8 on every pilgrim on the lake.

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by mr crab

they'd be laying the 8 on every pilgrim on the lake.

Ha ha.