S.T.A.R (Before & After Creel Change)

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by Bluechip

I guess I missed where anyone was calling the guides lazy.....

No your right nobody actually said that, I was paraphrasing. I wasn't trying to bash you either, just presenting the other side. Without biological evidence to support the reduction I tend to agree with you guys. I probably disagree from the standpoint that I think the guides (if they were really a part of the change) and the CCA all had good intentions and thought they were doing the right thing. I would find it hard to believe that either would intentionally harm the estuary. People with the best intentions sometimes make mistakes.

[Gerald]

Last week I came back to Heber's landing about Noon.

There were 3 or 4 guides just finshing up cleaning there day's catch..... no fishing 8 hr that day for them. One crab bait barrel that I saw was full.

[SaltyShaw]

Originally Posted by Gerald

Last week I came back to Heber's landing about Noon.

There were 3 or 4 guides just finshing up cleaning there day's catch..... no fishing 8 hr that day for them. One crab bait barrel that I saw was full.

That happens more than often I'm sure, but you can't point the finger at all of them. Some are genuine guys and there intentions are good, some are d bags that want to just wrap it up, hurry up and get done as quick as possible.

["W"]

I have said this all alone also...you can only hold so many fish in a given area! If you stop fishing for 10 years it will not matter! You will still only be able to hold that X amount of fish! I have no problem with the 15 limit but I have concerns that it is not the best thing for trout growth. Guides have no problems putting 45 to 60 trout in the boat..... Big trout have declined and declined and your more common limits are 12-15 inch trout . Its rare to have a 3lb adv 30 trout box like 8-10 years ago!

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by "W"

I have said this all alone also...you can only hold so many fish in a given area! If you stop fishing for 10 years it will not matter! You will still only be able to hold that X amount of fish! I have no problem with the 15 limit but I have concerns that it is not the best thing for trout growth. Guides have no problems putting 45 to 60 trout in the boat..... Big trout have declined and declined and your more common limits are 12-15 inch trout . Its rare to have a 3lb adv 30 trout box like 8-10 years ago!

This is true and you cannot compare oysters to trout. Trout are the wild hogs of the salt water. Reproduce like crazy. It's takes a long time for oysters to grow and reproduce! I find it very disturbing to alter fishing/hunting oppurtunities based on a survey rather than any biological evidence!

["W"]

another thing I can add........ Off the top of my head I would say I know 8 guides who could put 100 trout in the boat daily.......with artificial bait only!

Back when the limit was 25 per person they still had lots of guides only coming in with half their limit.

Even when strike nets were legal and trout were being taken out in huge numbers , you still could go catch 100 trout easy.

Back when my dad and grand paw fished the lake the limits were none and 50 per person.......Dad told me he would have 150 2-5lb trout in the boat by 10am most of the time.....

[SaltyShaw]

Originally Posted by "W"

another thing I can add........ Off the top of my head I would say I know 8 guides who could put 100 trout in the boat daily.......with artificial bait only!

Back when the limit was 25 per person they still had lots of guides only coming in with half their limit.

Even when strike nets were legal and trout were being taken out in huge numbers , you still could go catch 100 trout easy.

Back when my dad and grand paw fished the lake the limits were none and 50 per person.......Dad told me he would have 150 2-5lb trout in the boat by 10am most of the time.....

That would be nice . . . . good ole slabs for dinner

["W"]

Yes big fish are still caught and yes 9lbrs and 10lber yet rare are still landed but Jack C had 10 over 9 in his freezer for a stringer mount and lost it in Rita....to this day he has not boated but one 9lbers..... There is a reason for the big trout decline

[Super Spook]

I am hoping on the cycles theory as well Chas.

W, don't you think that with drastic increase in guides and pressure on the Lake that there are probably just as many Trout being taken out when it was 25 and less boats? I can't get over the number of boats that I am seeing on the lake.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Super Spook

I am hoping on the cycles theory as well Chas.

W, don't you think that with drastic increase in guides and pressure on the Lake that there are probably just as many Trout being taken out when it was 25 and less boats? I can't get over the number of boats that I am seeing on the lake.

No I dont...Reason is 70% of the boats dont catch fish.... Like said before when a study was check it was like 5 trout per boat...

300 boats that is 1500 trout

I would say on weekends its less than 5 trout per boat.... You would be surprised at what you would see at the landings....

They had a game warden checking for redfish last year at Heberts (wanted ear bones)....out of 145 boats in one day ....she checked it has less than one red per boat..and she said about 3 trout....

guides will take the numbers and the rest are well below adv....

Sit at Hebert and drink beer about 12...and ask to look at every icechest that comes in and count.....I never counted but I have ask....lol....

If you catch 3000 trout today....the tide will bring 3000 in...and the tide will send half back out to never return...
Have you ever fished offshore for trout? I bet less than half those trout never come into a lake...

I have tagged about 60 trout at the 1st rigs and never had them caught anywhere yet

[Super Spook]

Originally Posted by "W"

No I dont...Reason is 70% of the boats dont catch fish.... Like said before when a study was check it was like 5 trout per boat...

300 boats that is 1500 trout

I would say on weekends its less than 5 trout per boat.... You would be surprised at what you would see at the landings....

They had a game warden checking for redfish last year at Heberts (wanted ear bones)....out of 145 boats in one day ....she checked it has less than one red per boat..and she said about 3 trout....

guides will take the numbers and the rest are well below adv....

Sit at Hebert and drink beer about 12...and ask to look at every icechest that comes in and count.....I never counted but I have ask....lol....

If you catch 3000 trout today....the tide will bring 3000 in...and the tide will send half back out to never return...
Have you ever fished offshore for trout? I bet less than half those trout never come into a lake...

I have tagged about 60 trout at the 1st rigs and never had them caught anywhere yet

I do get your point and I know there are a bunch of pilgrims out there, but it seems there are also alot more guides as well.

I have read the trout don't come in and out of the Lake like many thought they did.

I can also attest that catching consistently on Big Lake is challenging unless you put your time in. Not any Joe blow can launch and come back with a limit. You put in your water time to catch like you do I'm sure.

[SaltyShaw]

Originally Posted by "W"

Sit at Hebert and drink beer about 12...and ask to look at every icechest that comes in and count.....I never counted but I have ask....lol....

You bring the beer and we will have a little survey!

[Super Spook]

Originally Posted by SaltyShaw

You bring the beer and we will have a little survey!

That would be fun. If I hear someone tell me they caught a mess of puppy drum I would lose it.

["W"]

and one more thing...all the boats is probably a good thing for the trout....More boats = less fish caught..because i cant count how many times some yonk has killed by bite ....

and with 300 boats in turners chasing birds or just fishing..... I would promise 20 boats in turners will catch more than 300 boats all day

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by "W"

and with 300 boats in turners chasing birds or just fishing..... I would promise 20 boats in turners will catch more than 300 boats all day

You can get a lot of cheetos for cheap at sams. Spill em out on da way to da south end. Frees up da good spots down south.

[SaltyShaw]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

You can get a lot of cheetos for cheap at sams. Spill em out on da way to da south end. Frees up da good spots down south.

Not a bad idea

[Super Spook]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

You can get a lot of cheetos for cheap at sams. Spill em out on da way to da south end. Frees up da good spots down south.

:*****:I do have a bag of Doritos in my boat. I bet they will work too!

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Super Spook

:*****:I do have a bag of Doritos in my boat. I bet they will work too!

In a pinch but cheetos float much better.

[SaltyShaw]

I just spat all over the screeeeen hahahahaha!!!
Ill cut a trip short if i dont have my limit by noon to do this, seriously lol

[inchspinner]

Buy more cheetos....: