Safer choices than alcohol

[bgizzle]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I'm not going to disrupt duckman's thread to answer this off topic foolishness, but it needs answering, so I've made a new thread.

There are a lot of recreational choices that are safer than alcohol:

1. Monogamous married sex. Unlike many other choices, this one is sort of self-moderating, and with some of the new prescriptions it can be enjoyed more regularly even for the older ages. Risks are very low. Satisfaction can be very high. I wouldn't trade all the booze, weed, or coke on earth for this one.

2. May I suggest some athletic pursuits: biking, tennis, golf, bowling, ultimate frisbee. Some have moderate injury risks, but the long term fitness benefits more than compensate.

3. The shooting sports are among the safest recreational pursuits that exist. My family likes rifle and pistol, but shotgun is very popular in Louisiana. We have a small air rifle and air pistol range in our home that everyone enjoys.

4. There are tons of more academic recreations. Chess is a favorite of many. My family likes Scrabble and various trivia games.

5. Video games aren't my cup of tea, but they are very popular, and definitely safer than most chemical enhancements.

6. Hunting is a tremendous good time. Better stay THC free, as the legal limit for THC and firearms possession is ZERO. Climbing tree stands are the biggest safety risk in hunting.

7. Get high on fishing, not drugs. For me, there's nothing like the adrenaline dump of a huge redfish pulling drag. I'm still looking forward to my first ling and catching some bigger sharks. For others there is nothing like a speck or bass busting a top water lure.

8. There is great joy and recreation in Louisiana cuisine with little or no risk in proper moderation.

The suggestion that Louisiana's recreational options are so limited that it drives people to drink is absurd. I'd gladly trade all the weed in Colorado and Washington for the Sportsman's Paradise and culinary paradise of Louisiana. Just driving around the state is a huge thrill. I love the swamps. I love the marsh. I love the beach, the lakes, and the gulf. I love the smell of spring, the smell of fall, and the smell of mud. I love the taste of gumbo.

I'm sure Colorado or Washington would welcome those who are so attached to marijuana that they would trade all this paradise for regular hits from their favorite drug. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

This dude here!!!! Lol! I know waaaay to many successful ppl that make over 100k/yr that use marijuana regularly to believe your THEORY. If you only knew how the world outside your realm really worked you may just chiiiiiiiiill with that madness! But I guess it's something to read... The first few sentences anyway... Lol... Continue on.




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[Goooh]

[bgizzle]

Originally Posted by Goooh

Phahaaaaaahhhaaha!


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[Clampy]

He's got this view of pot head and he just won't let it go so he clings to reefer madness to make him feel better about stereotyping a big chunk of the populous.


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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Clampy

He's got this view of pot head and he just won't let it go so he clings to reefer madness to make him feel better about stereotyping a big chunk of the populous.
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I have boatloads of personal experience with marijuana users. A number of family members have been pot smokers. These were the ones most likely to be moving back in with momma, getting fired for not showing up to work, being late, or poor work, or generally leeches on the system and family.

As a teacher, I also have considerable experience with marijuana smoking students. One's ability in math and science falls drastically when teens begin smoking weed. One's motivation toward education also dramatically tanks.

The science is sound on these same points. Marijuana use lowers IQ and significantly reduces educational outcomes, especially when use begins during the teen years. Use among teens in Colorado and Washington has significantly increased since legalization.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I have boatloads of personal experience with marijuana users. A number of family members have been pot smokers. These were the ones most likely to be moving back in with momma, getting fired for not showing up to work, being late, or poor work, or generally leeches on the system and family.

As a teacher, I also have considerable experience with marijuana smoking students. One's ability in math and science falls drastically when teens begin smoking weed. One's motivation toward education also dramatically tanks.

The science is sound on these same points. Marijuana use lowers IQ and significantly reduces educational outcomes, especially when use begins during the teen years. Use among teens in Colorado and Washington has significantly increased since legalization.

I know a few people that smoked some weed in high school a whole lot in college and consistently held a 3.5-3.7 gpa. These people are now very successful, so you argument is just a generalization. It seems to me your science is about as sound as the the gulf councils red snapper numbers.

[specktator]

Originally Posted by meaux fishing

I know a few people that smoked some weed in high school a whole lot in college and consistently held a 3.5-3.7 gpa. These people are now very successful, so you argument is just a generalization. It seems to me your science is about as sound as the the gulf councils red snapper numbers.

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[bgizzle]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I have boatloads of personal experience with marijuana users. A number of family members have been pot smokers. These were the ones most likely to be moving back in with momma, getting fired for not showing up to work, being late, or poor work, or generally leeches on the system and family.

As a teacher, I also have considerable experience with marijuana smoking students. One's ability in math and science falls drastically when teens begin smoking weed. One's motivation toward education also dramatically tanks.

The science is sound on these same points. Marijuana use lowers IQ and significantly reduces educational outcomes, especially when use begins during the teen years. Use among teens in Colorado and Washington has significantly increased since legalization.

All you described in your rant is losers who just so happened to smoke marijuana. If it lowers IQ then please explain how? And then explain why it only happens to certain ppl. Bc I know more ppl that are successful that smoke than unsuccessful that smoke.


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[Em591991]

I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by Em591991

I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.

Guns are legal, are there random shootings on site every day? Not much chaos, I wouldn't be worried about legalizing marijuana... You're still the boss and would have the same right to fire as you did before

[Em591991]

Originally Posted by Goooh

Guns are legal, are there random shootings on site every day? Not much chaos, I wouldn't be worried about legalizing marijuana... You're still the boss and would have the same right to fire as you did before

Bad analogy, IMO. But like I said, if my guys want to shoot people on their own time then that's fine. When your on the clock you need to be sober and/or not shooting people. I'm not worried about legalization from an employers standpoint as much as I am from a fathers standpoint.

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by Em591991

I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.

the sky has not fallen in Colorado or Washington

Just because someone takes a toke in the evening instead of beer does that mean they can't be productive?You can take anything overboard.
Porn is legal. Messed up plenty of lives but none of us want that banned and if you do I'm confused. You should have the right and think you do to fire who ever for what ever. Shouldn't be just for something in there urine that doesn't show intoxication at all. Blood test yes. Only way to test if they legitimately impaired at that time. If you think Johnny is a terrible employee then fire his worthless arse.

" I have a dream that one day a man will be judged by the contents if his character and not the contents of his urine. "



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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Clampy

the sky has not fallen in Colorado or Washington

Why would one expect the society level effects to be more rapid than the personal level effects? Weed production in these states is still ramping up to meet increased demand. Once availability, use, and abuse reach their peaks for a period of time, then the effects on society will be felt. I'm estimating about a decade, because that's the amount of time for todays teens to be fully integrated into the workforce and their educational deficiencies to have a real impact on economic productivity.

Originally Posted by Clampy

Just because someone takes a toke in the evening instead of beer does that mean they can't be productive?

Less educated -> less productive. Lower IQ -> less productive. Less motivated -> less productive. Motor impairment -> less productive. No one has suggested productivity of drug users or drug abusers is zero, only that it is lower.

Originally Posted by Clampy

Porn is legal. Messed up plenty of lives but none of us want that banned and if you do I'm confused.

Children should not have access to adult porn, and no one should have access to child porn. Most adults would be shocked at how much porn children are accessing through school and library IT systems. Adults would also be shocked at how much child porn originally is uploaded to the internet through school and library IT systems. Child porn should remain a crime, and schools need to greatly increase their diligence to reduce the abuse of their IT systems in these ways.

Originally Posted by Clampy

You should have the right and think you do to fire who ever for what ever. Shouldn't be just for something in there urine that doesn't show intoxication at all. Blood test yes. Only way to test if they legitimately impaired at that time. If you think Johnny is a terrible employee then fire his worthless arse.

The liability of the employer is too great to close his eyes to drug use, especially if employment duties include operating machinery (including vehicles), complex analysis tasks with safety implications, handling dangerous chemicals, etc. Employers should be able to fire employees based on any violations of the employer's drug policy without needing to prove actual impairment.

Originally Posted by Clampy

" I have a dream that one day a man will be judged by the contents if his character and not the contents of his urine. "

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Violation of law and violation of an employer's drug policy reveal significant character issues. An honest character simply refuses up front to agree to a drug policy one has no intentions of abiding by.

Or do you pretend that fraudulent agreement to a drug policy is not a character flaw?

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

The liability of the employer is too great to close his eyes to drug use, especially if employment duties include operating machinery (including vehicles), complex analysis tasks with safety implications, handling dangerous chemicals, etc. Employers should be able to fire employees based on any violations of the employer's drug policy without needing to prove actual impairment.

In Louisiana you dont need a reason to to be fired, we are an "At Will" employment state

[Em591991]

Smoke it all day!! Just stay off my jobs and away from my kids. It's awkward explaining to a homeowner why the guy doing their electrical work smells like reefer. Or when your kids say, dad, my friends donit and so do their parents. I guess I'm just not ready for the world to change yet.

[Clampy]

Just educate them the same way you do about drinking.
As you should anyway.
It's easy to " drugs are bad mmmmkay"
We reduced cigs use among minors by a big % and didn't jail one adult to do so. Just on a education campaign.


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[Clampy]

No doubt. Don't go to work high. Or drunk. Morons


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[fullrutt]

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[T-TOP]

I have some people that I went to high school with that are pot heads. Graduated in 1991. It's easy for me to keep my kids away from pot. I just explain to them that they will end up like them if they start smoking pot. I think they understand.....


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[BuckingFastard]

ive known less people that were drug free and worked in the petro industry than the number of those who did drugs and smoked pot every day.