Another Reason to Boycott S.T.A.R.: Tripletail regulations passed

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by "W"

I just wish some of the politics would use there power to stop erosion and oyster dredge raping instead of worrying about a fish that you can catch 2 or 3 months out of a year!!


Or dropping a trout limit so one guide service can catch a limit of trout!!

[meaux fishing]

how come the regulations dont show up on the LDWF website is what Im wondering?

[Ratdog]

It's like a speed trap.
They want more pay .......someone is getting a raise or some new swat threads .
Might be buying bullets like the mail man.
Whatever it is they will use it as a last resort to fine y'all.
It's like a big boat stops for reds and goes to fed water with said red then gets fined. It's a trap like taxation without rep.

This crap is getting way out of hand and out of touch with reality.

This is all messed up.

["W"]

Originally Posted by meaux fishing

how come the regulations dont show up on the LDWF website is what Im wondering?

Pass it like the health care bill, I'm sure it works the same way!!

[Smalls]

The real question here is: how do you grow more "trophy" fish by reducing a limit?

The only logic there is that by reducing a limit, you are leaving more fish in, thereby increasing the chances of growing larger fish. You are giving more opportunity for those fish to get bigger.

But on the ecological flip side of that--I think its poppycock. If you leave more fish in the system, there is greater competition for a food source, and if the food source is not increasing, you are going to see an overall decrease in size. You can't grow bigger fish by leaving more in. You have to reduce the amount of fish so there is less competition on the food source.

I don't know, that seems pretty logical to me. I mean, if there are 100 of us in a room with only 100 sandwiches, it stands to reason that, on average, one person in that group is going to eat less than one person in a group of 50 would get to eat. (Assuming everyone shares, which just about seems impossible around here )

And for all those that don't want to sift through that huge document that MG posted earlier, here is the section on Tripletail:

A. Recreational Take and Possession Limits
1. The recreational bag limit for the possession of tripletail (Lobotes surinamensis) whether caught within or without Louisiana waters shall be five fish per person, per day.
B. Commercial Take and Possession Limits
1. No person shall take, harvest, land, or possess aboard a harvesting vessel tripletail in excess of a recreational bag limit unless that person is in possession and has in his immediate possession a valid commercial fishing license, commercial gear licenses (if applicable) and a valid commercial vessel license. The holder of such valid commercial licenses (if applicable) shall not take, possess, land, sell, barter, trade or exchange or attempt to take, sell, barter, trade or exchange tripletail, whole or eviscerated, in excess of 100 pounds on any one day or on any trip, or from any trip. For the purposes of this Section:
Trip¾any fishing trip, regardless of number of days duration, that begins with departure from a dock, berth, beach, shoreline, seawall or ramp.
2. No person aboard any vessel shall transfer or cause the transfer of tripletail between vessels on state or federal waters.
3. No person shall sell, purchase, barter, trade or exchange or attempt to sell, purchase, barter, trade or exchange tripletail, whole or eviscerated, in excess of 100 pounds, except that such limitation shall not apply to the resale of tripletail by a validly licensed wholesale/retail seafood dealer who purchased such tripletail in compliance with the regulations and requirements of this Section and in compliance with other requirements of law.


C. Size Limits
1. The recreational and commercial minimum size limit for tripletail (Lobotes surinamensis) shall be 18 inches total length.

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

The real question here is: how do you grow more "trophy" fish by reducing a limit?

The only logic there is that by reducing a limit, you are leaving more fish in, thereby increasing the chances of growing larger fish. You are giving more opportunity for those fish to get bigger.

But on the ecological flip side of that--I think its poppycock. If you leave more fish in the system, there is greater competition for a food source, and if the food source is not increasing, you are going to see an overall decrease in size. You can't grow bigger fish by leaving more in. You have to reduce the amount of fish so there is less competition on the food source.

I don't know, that seems pretty logical to me. I mean, if there are 100 of us in a room with only 100 sandwiches, it stands to reason that, on average, one person in that group is going to eat less than one person in a group of 50 would get to eat. (Assuming everyone shares, which just about seems impossible around here )

And for all those that don't want to sift through that huge document that MG posted earlier, here is the section on Tripletail:

Maybe if the weirs were gone, they wouldn't have to compete so hard for their food. It's crazy that sabine is good right now and BL has been terrible lately. No weirs in Sabine and oyster reefs that aren't destroyed. To me it's pretty clear that these issues need to be taken care of.

[Spunt Drag]

I'm ****in done wit em

[Ratdog]

What gets me is I might be blind but I see nothing good come from fines payed just better boats more flack jackets and basically more armor and weapons . Nothing is going to take care of the big problems just to support the ability to rake in more money and distribut it for inforcement.seems the LWF have become militarized . I guess the turit mounts are going to be bought soon.

[Spunt Drag]

Draconian

[Spunt Drag]

Sound science

[BuckingFastard]

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag

I'm ****in done wit em

i need to put this on the page on facebook.

[BuckingFastard]

these people are jokes... i enjoyed reading that "W".. thanks. its crazy to think these yahoos are the ones who decided the fate of our well being. most of the logical people said "only if the studies show it needs to be decreased" yet no studies were done that show negative results... in fact they showed healthy numbers. what in the heck is hackberry rod and gun saying to turn it into a trophy lake??? its not anyones lake to do that!!!! if anything, they should be forced off the lake for thinking anyone owns it! pissed

[BloodKnot]

Seems like Big Lake was the prime trophy trout fishing spot before everyone started getting involved on how to make the lake stay the same or become a "trophy" lake.

From what I have seen on this site, no one has a true factual case on whether the limit should be 25 or 15. Everyone has opinions. My opinion is I want whats best for the Lake and trout fishing. I am not sold on a number. Why not 20 per person? Does it matter?

I wish more focus was placed on our oyster reefs in the Big Lake area.

As for tripletail, they are wonderful to eat and 5 seems like an overreach of a limit. When I saw pictures of people with 50+ tripletail, I never thought poor fish population, I thought those lucky mother f*****rs.

And here is a question for some, would you support a foundation or association that only focused on Big Lake eco system? I haven't supported CCA for over 10 years but I fish regularly.

[Top Dawg]

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[Top Dawg]

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[BassYakR]

Here u go BuckingFastard

[BassYakR]

Welllllllll ya see.... Theres this thing called BIG MONEY! and Hes affiliated with the Lawtons.... DING DING DING

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by BuckingFastard

ahhhhhh hes a money child. gotcha... this is exactly why we dont need people like him.

Youre right. Money doesn't equal wildlife knowledge. Also, money does not equal wildlife knowledge. You can be wealthy and knowledgable and vice versa. I'm still trying to figure out why some are attacking Will. you may not agree with him but his opinion didn't seem worthy of the bashing he's getting. Just my opinion. Someone said earlier, "haters gonna hate.". That couldn't be more true. Some people are going to be disliked just because they have, or come from, money. It's just like everyone that complains about doctors, lawyers, etc. driving up the prices of duck leases. Maybe it's fuel, equipment, insurance, etc. driving the cost up? Should the land owner accept less money when he could get more? Partway (sorry for the rabbit trail), people are real quick to blame people JUST because they have money. Maybe Will should piss all of his money away, and then he can speak more intelligently on the subject

[BuckingFastard]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

Youre right. Money doesn't equal wildlife knowledge. Also, money does not equal wildlife knowledge. You can be wealthy and knowledgable and vice versa. I'm still trying to figure out why some are attacking Will. you may not agree with him but his opinion didn't seem worthy of the bashing he's getting. Just my opinion. Someone said earlier, "haters gonna hate.". That couldn't be more true. Some people are going to be disliked just because they have, or come from, money. It's just like everyone that complains about doctors, lawyers, etc. driving up the prices of duck leases. Maybe it's fuel, equipment, insurance, etc. driving the cost up? Should the land owner accept less money when he could get more? Partway (sorry for the rabbit trail), people are real quick to blame people JUST because they have money. Maybe Will should piss all of his money away, and then he can speak more intelligently on the subject

i dont think you have a clue what is going on... im attacking the fact that he should have ABSOLUTELY no say in anything and it should be left up to real studies and research. but instead its made into politics and money by people like him. nothing against HIM... just what kind of person he is and associated with.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

Youre right. Money doesn't equal wildlife knowledge. Also, money does not equal wildlife knowledge. You can be wealthy and knowledgable and vice versa. I'm still trying to figure out why some are attacking Will. you may not agree with him but his opinion didn't seem worthy of the bashing he's getting. Just my opinion. Someone said earlier, "haters gonna hate.". That couldn't be more true. Some people are going to be disliked just because they have, or come from, money. It's just like everyone that complains about doctors, lawyers, etc. driving up the prices of duck leases. Maybe it's fuel, equipment, insurance, etc. driving the cost up? Should the land owner accept less money when he could get more? Partway (sorry for the rabbit trail), people are real quick to blame people JUST because they have money. Maybe Will should piss all of his money away, and then he can speak more intelligently on the subject

I have nothing against WD personally, for all I know he is a great guy. What I am against is anybody pushing for regulations without adequate science to back up their position. The record speaks for itself, there are certain people in positions of power making decisions that affect the state as a whole. However they are not taking the majority opinion of the state on these issues. I mean even the "survey" that HRGC did was comprised of 67% Texans. Why should a survey of Texans be relevant in a Louisiana fishing issue? I was told a long time ago by a man who is pretty knowledgeable about fishery science that CCA was nothing but a bunch of money grabbing politicians. I chose to ignore that advice because I believe in the good in people. I have been a member of CCA for the last 10 or so years, and it has become clear in the last couple of years I should have taken the advice and saved all that money. They will not see another cent from me or my family.