Concealed Weapon Permit

[evidrine]

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand each point made when it comes to the whole church carry issue. The law is the law I guess. I can't help but feel like that particular train of thought closely resembles want the government is already trying to do to us. "It is ok for me to carry here but not you." Anyone who believes in the right to bare arms should welcome all legal permitted persons to carry in their church. Honestly, I would have a huge problem being asked to remove my firearm are leave by some random Joe blow. That is something I would have to hear directly from the pastor/priest/etc.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by evidrine

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand each point made when it comes to the whole church carry issue. The law is the law I guess. I can't help but feel like that particular train of thought closely resembles want the government is already trying to do to us. "It is ok for me to carry here but not you." Anyone who believes in the right to bare arms should welcome all legal permitted persons to carry in their church. Honestly, I would have a huge problem being asked to remove my firearm are leave by some random Joe blow. That is something I would have to hear directly from the pastor/priest/etc.

You really have no clue the difficulties that could be caused by folks with that attitude. Sorry, but you won't hear it from our Pastor. He is not going to drop whatever he is doing to handle a security incident, not to mention that with that kind of attitude, you will not get near our Pastor. If you are asked by anyone on our team to leave, you will go. It's up to you if you want to make it easy or hard. If you decide to make it difficult, you will be escorted by a deputy and charged with "remaining after forbidden". Learn the law and your legal rights.
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[Shawn Braquet]

I own two pistols chambered in 9mm now, I'd likely look into the another 9mm. The Beretta Nano seemed like a good fit but haven't put my hands on one yet. I guess I need to go to a shop and check a few out.

[duckman1911]

CC I'm guessing you are a member of a rather large church.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

CC I'm guessing you are a member of a rather large church.

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
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[duckman1911]

[QUOTE=CajunChristian;767824]Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

[CajunChristian]

[quote=duckman1911;767826]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

It does get difficult to sift through that many faces. We also keep sex offender programs on our phones to cross reference.
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[capt coonassty]

[quote=CajunChristian;767831]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

It does get difficult to sift through that many faces. We also keep sex offender programs on our phones to cross reference.
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Unrelated question. Does your church not allow sex offenders?

[Andy C]

[quote=duckman1911;767826]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Medium sized church I guess. Not sure what makes a small, medium, or large church. I have trained churches that run 10,000 a weekend and churches that run 200 a weekend. We run 1000 a weekend.
Yeah that's a sizeable crowd to have to sort through and recognize people especially during a tactical situation. I can see your point about only having designated security members. I don't agree with being disarmed by anyone but I do see your point and it's a valid one. It's not like the little community churches around where I live. 30/40 members and everyone knows everyone. It's easy to pick out who doesn't belong.

I can't stay out of this no more.
When I go to church it's15-20 people most all carry, and the preacher dose not make a dime, we a come to work days and bring whatever building supplies we need for the project and do it. Cc. I don't have a problem with your (mega church) or you, but as a man an christian o don't believe in them tactics!!! I know the law is the law, and respect that! Just have a problem with church paying for bids and hireing contractors for new projects, and paying for security!!! The members of the church should do all that without question, or having to get bids, or be apart of yalls elite security group) church is about God and knowing your nabers!!! Not money or who can carry or not carry!! You should know and been to every one of your members house and know there family,bar-b-que with them!!!

Let's just say a situation happened and you had to use (force) but but come to find out it was just a new person, that was not carring just needed to speak to the/a preacher for a min, and you and your team rush and throw him or her out and they kill themselves in the parking lot because you or your team found them a threat! How would you feel?? I would jump in front of a bullet/knife for any member of my family or and member of the church I go to when I have time to go, but know everyone one of them by name!!! Guess what I am trying to say is learn what gods about and know your nabers and fellow brothers and sisters. Not in a ( we don't get 1000-3500 thro the door we out of bis)
Just my 2 cents!!

[capt coonassty]

That seems reasonable and responsible.

[Bluechip]

I have not read where CC posted anything stating he charged or earned money to protect his church or any other church. ...

Andy, you need to read this thread again.

[Andy C]

Thought you said yall hire off duty officers at the door and yall were a volunteer group, witch you train other mega church's, understand if there's a man or woman hanging around the bathrooms to long and not waiting on there kid,, it would get get taken care of real fast cause we all know each, and families, New people come every Sunday and pry with the preacher.. let me just throw this out there there's100/-2000 members of your church how many of them do you know by name, even more dose your preacher know and know each and every one of them by name and know there day to day struggles?? I will bet not!!!!!!

How many bathrooms your church have?? How many on Sunday that walk in the doors do you know personaly or where they live/been invited to there birthday party ?,

[CajunChristian]

[QUOTE=How many bathrooms your church have?? How many on Sunday that walk in the doors do you know personaly or where they live/been invited to there birthday party ?,[/QUOTE]

Andy, our church has 4 bathrooms downstairs and 2 upstairs. You seem to have a problem with medium and large churches.
Just curious, what is your magic number. At what number would you limit your congregation to? Now it's you telling folks they can't come to YOUR church or it will grow too large. See how silly that sounds? I assure you, I have seen and dealt with that mentality for years. Years ago I left a church that was comprised of about 40 people. Average age was near 80. They didn't want new folks, so their church is dying. Could be totally dead now, I don't know.

[Andy C]

My last post here, if yall don't trust your fellow church members to take care of what problems that can come up you might thank about going to a church where everyone knows everyone,and not need security!! And get back to family and community, not just how many people they can run throw the door!!

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Andy C

My last post here, if yall don't trust your fellow church members to take care of what problems that can come up you might thank about going to a church where everyone knows everyone,and not need security!! And get back to family and community, not just how many people they can run throw the door!!

I really think you are completely missing the point of what CajunChristian and his guys do. Personally, I would also like to be able to carry while I'm in church, but I'd be extremely comfortable leaving my gun in my vehicle and attending services in a church that is protected by a team of people with way more training than me. Sounds like your issue is more about smaller churches vs a bigger church.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

I really think you are completely missing the point of what CajunChristian and his guys do. Personally, I would also like to be able to carry while I'm in church, but I'd be extremely comfortable leaving my gun in my vehicle and attending services in a church that is protected by a team of people with way more training than me. Sounds like your issue is more about smaller churches vs a bigger church.

Ditto that. On a typical Sunday, we have 20-50 new folks at our church. When you talk about an attendance of 1000 people, it's difficult, if not impossible, to know everyone. Then throw the CEO crowd, Christmas, Easter Only, our attendance swells. Andy, we have NEVER hired any security. But I guess you want to be paid for your work but don't want to pay security folks??? We're just doing the best we can with what we have.
Danny

[Dogface]

Don't know what Andy's problem is with what was said but it seems like he is against big churches. Just saying......

[Bluechip]

Originally Posted by Dogface

Don't know what Andy's problem is with was said but it seems like he is against big churches. Just saying......

Obviously..... Go to the church where you feel comfortable whether big or small....

[Dogface]

Cajun and BJ, I completely agree with you guys. We have around 2,000 per Sunday (this includes children) and want everyone safe at all times. We pay 4officers and have a security team of volunteers that are trained and legal. Not only does our pastor encourage the security he participates in our training and range sessions. The reason for the paid officers is we want anyone entering the building to know that we have security. The trained CCL holders are very discrete and very few people know that we are armed. Not saying this is the best or right way to do it but its what works for us. Stay safe and train hard. Dog

[Andy C]

Good for yall, I understand there's a threat every Sunday at yalls church's, as a man of the Lord in my church I don't have to worry about that!! Cause we all welcome new people and build every thing , not saying yall are any more less of a man or woman of God just different parts of the country, and different churches!!